Author Topic: Why against full-autos?  (Read 4300 times)

AbitNutz

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Why against full-autos?
« on: August 28, 2016, 06:05:34 AM »
I'm curious as to what seems to be the bias against full auto air rifles. An air rifle is incredibly unique in that we can have full-auto and silencers without the gov't climbing up our butts. However, when a full-auto rifle was introduced it got a lot of criticism...is it all political? Or am I misreading all this? Were they fragile? Or poorly functioning?

It doesn't matter if full-auto doesn't give the accuracy or perhaps isn't useful. I can tell you that having shot full-auto subs, they're a riot to shoot. I really think we should embrace them...Also, I would love to go ratting at night with my ATN X-sight ii and a full auto .25 Flex. Group shots would be possible, maybe not practical but certainly fun.


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Re: Why against full-autos?
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2016, 07:27:32 AM »
Well, I can understand why. During WWII, about 600 billion rounds of rifle and pistol ammunition was produced around the world. About 60 million were killed, with only 18 million of those combat personnel. Simple math will give you an idea of how many bullets were fired to produce one casualty. I suspect about the same ratio when hunting with a full-auto anything. A good example are the YouTube videos showing a bunch of guys shooting pigs from a helicopter using full-auto AR15 type weapons. Their kill ratio from single fire was much better than when they used full-auto.

Now if you're just trying to scare the daylights out of the rats (no pun intended), you're probably safe in saying you did. But if you want to snipe for real kill to round ratio, then single rounds make a while lot more sense.

By the way, the FLEX is a bolt action, so no chance of full-auto there.
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Re: Why against full-autos?
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2016, 08:08:56 AM »
Hi
I remember evanix made one, from what I understand it was a fragile system.
There is the pellet machine gun  SMG 22 made by air ordanance belt fed
Another thing to consider is if full auto Airgun became common it might get our sport some unwanted attention by the government.
Just my opinion

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Re: Why against full-autos?
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2016, 11:17:28 AM »
I saw reviews on youtube of the Evanix and they all had a similar opinion. While not terribly useful it was great fun. I agree...that's all this is about.

When someone points out the problem of unwanted attention from the government...then the whole bias is political.

I'm aware that the Flex is a bolt action...I have one on order. What I meant by that is a rifle in the "class" of the Flex.

One reason not to own a full-auto firearm is expense. Ammo is not cheap. When you can run through 600 rounds in a minute...you better reload, or own your own ammo company. 

A fully automatic air rifle is almost perfect, cheap to shoot, almost noiseless with little recoil. I can tell you from personal experience that keeping an FN FAL on target running full-auto is absolutely impossible. Keeping a .25 cal 10 pound air rifle on target running full-auto is, most likely, extremely possible. The youtube Evanix videos show it done and done easily.

What I mean by political bias is someone telling me what I can or can not have, based upon their opinion that it isn't useful. An air rifle isn't a firearm and shouldn't be compared to one. It's an apples and bowling balls comparison to show any equivalency.

I would really like to have a full-auto air rifle. You leave it on semi-auto for target shooting and flip the fun switch to make you laugh...
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Re: Why against full-autos?
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2016, 11:22:40 AM »
Check this one out
It's the SMG 22
http://air-ordnance.com/smg-22/
Might do what you want.
I agree full auto would be great but out choices are extremely limited.

Hope this helps

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Re: Why against full-autos?
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2016, 11:27:58 AM »
Here is a link explaining Pyrimid Air's/ air ventuti reason for not carrying full auto Airguns
Air ventuti is a major importer of Airguns and they own PA and AGD and I think Airgun warehouse.
The question about full auto has been asked many times
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=42062.msg397107#msg397107

Hope this helps

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Re: Why against full-autos?
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2016, 11:35:02 AM »
PA carries several full auto BB guns.
CCS 2300, CCS 2400, Custom Built Regulated .25, Custom Built PRod Clone, .308 Bullet shooter, XS46U .177, Custom regulated .177, 850 Hammerli .177

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Re: Why against full-autos?
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2016, 12:01:19 PM »
I had one of the first full auto Evanix when came out and functioned just fine, the next owner never had problems and the current owner reports that the gun is still fine, I think they took the auto feature off more as a precaution for fear of possible repercussion both from public opinion and law, However it's easy to get those guns even today back to full, Will Piatt does that for a small fee.

I was able to do Quarter size groups at 30 yards with 3 shots bursts

And killed this Big, knarly boar with a 3 shot burst, so yeah they can be used efficiently  ;D ;D ;D







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Re: Why against full-autos?
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2016, 05:24:06 AM »
However it's easy to get those guns even today back to full, Will Piatt does that for a small fee.

Thanks! I think I'm going to do exactly that...I've just traded a few emails with Will Piatt and I'm very seriously considering buying a Evanix semi-automatic and having Mr. Piatt convert/work on it.

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Re: Why against full-autos?
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2016, 10:29:44 AM »
Done...Ordered from Pyramyd (got 10% off and free shipping..woohoo!) and it will be drop shipped to Will Piatt where he'll put a selector switch in it, extend the shroud and add baffles to hush it up. He'll also put an adjustment screw in transfer port and re-machine the fill probe to a foster connection

Will says that these things aren't perfect so I have to set my expectations...I know the quality, power and accuracy will be an order of magnitude less than the Flex that WAR is doing for me.



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Re: Why against full-autos?
« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2016, 10:48:41 AM »
Congratulations on the new rifle
Which one did you purchase and what caliber?
Look forward to seeing your review

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Re: Why against full-autos?
« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2016, 10:51:14 AM »
I got the Max Bullpup in .25 caliber. It'll be fun to shoot off the back deck...
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Re: Why against full-autos?
« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2016, 10:54:11 AM »
Very nice
Enjoy, the tree rats and other pests won't know hit them.

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Re: Why against full-autos?
« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2016, 10:58:35 AM »
Raccoons....death to all racoons!
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Re: Why against full-autos?
« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2016, 11:00:14 AM »
I think the bandits are in for a surprise
They will not know what hit them.

Dave