Author Topic: WAKE UP CROSMAN  (Read 7276 times)

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Re: WAKE UP CROSMAN
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2016, 07:55:43 AM »
The reason Crosman doesn't listen is because they don't care. They are not targeting folks like us here on the forum. They are targeting non airgunners. Look at who they pay/sponsor. All TV hunting personalities that appeal to the masses and not airgunners like us. Look at Gamo. Same type of business model and marketing strategy.

The positive to all this is the large aftermarket that exploded because of the Marauder. The Marauder is the Ford Mustang of the airgun world. Only difference is Ford continues to evolve the Mustang!!

We are passionate about airguns and that is why we take it personal when Crosman doesn't listen or care for that matter. As unfortunate as it is, we are probably better off to move on or just except the way they do business. Unless Crosman is sold to investors that love airguns as much as we do, then we can pretty much assume that nothing is going to change at Crosman. Lets just be thankful for the aftermarket support and thinking outside the box that continues to make the Marauder what it is to the airgunning community. If it weren't for that, I would no longer own Marauders.

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Re: WAKE UP CROSMAN
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2016, 07:23:16 PM »
 They will change when they can no longer pay back their investors by then it might be too late, I know they must have had it rough lately regardless of what they tell the public. Their recent products have been sub par at best and the marauder will only carry them so far. Its time they get new people in there that can make a difference. 

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Re: WAKE UP CROSMAN
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2016, 07:59:54 PM »
Hate to admit it but I think you are correct the latest CEO...look at the companies he came from.   


"Brad will remain Chairman & CEO of United Sporting Companies in addition to his new role at Crosman.

Prior to joining United Sporting Companies, Brad had a nearly 30-year career in growing branded consumer product business through his various leadership roles at Reynolds Consumer Products, Central Garden & Pet, Elmer’s Products / Hunt Corporation, H.J. Heinz and Kimberly-Clark.

The change to Brad as the new CEO of Crosman Corporation actually took place on May 11, 2015.

Couple months later head of Engineering bails out of company?? "

Then that Chip H. marketing expert blows off customers?? AND he has been on the rise at Crosman????????

comments like "I spoke with Chip at the Shot Show, not a easy guy to talk to. He isn't very open to anything. "

Guess he forgets who ultimately pays his salary .....THE CUSTOMERS ALL OF THEM


he sure does not match the Crosman Company I have dealt with
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Re: WAKE UP CROSMAN
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2016, 09:30:49 PM »
Change will happen when all else fails but until then I'm afraid we will continue to see bad products. The market is growing fast with many new company's rising up who can overtake Crosman in the near future.   

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Re: WAKE UP CROSMAN
« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2016, 05:14:22 AM »
Crosman guns are like windows PCs...they look okay out of the box and will even make noise. But getting them to really perform takes work!
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Re: WAKE UP CROSMAN
« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2016, 07:26:23 PM »
When I spoke to chip at the Shot Show, he didn't seem to receptive to new ideas or change.  Not unless it involved a new version of the Bulldog---go figure. :o
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Re: WAKE UP CROSMAN
« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2016, 07:40:18 PM »
Chip is the media manager for Crosman. I guess we have mutual feelings between him and our forum. LOL
I made one more attempt to reach out the Jennifer. This will be my last attempt to get Crosman to actually pay attention to their customers and utilize the outstanding resource they have in our forums. Will keep you informed on any outcome.
Although I don't expect much, so as not to be too disappointed. On the other hand, that opens me up to be ecstatic if I do get results.

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Re: WAKE UP CROSMAN
« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2016, 08:04:54 PM »
 If anyone can do it its you Dez! Let me know if I can help in any way.

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Re: WAKE UP CROSMAN
« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2016, 10:10:33 PM »
Funny thing is, it seems Crosman (specifically Chip) is focused on Facebook and Twitter, but all the people I've met who have Marauders are over 40 and most don't care a bit about those forms of social media.

I also agree about their recent new products: I have no interest in any of them at all (e.g., Rogue, Bulldog,  Arrow gun, and that new cheap gun with no features I don't even care what its name is).

I was on my way to becoming a major Crosman fan-boy after getting a 25 Marauder, but the 22 Marauder experience killed my trust in them.

I'm not planning to buy any more Crosman airguns - life is too short.  I'm only going to consider WAR Flex, AAA Slayer, Cricket, Vulcan, etc.

I still love my 25 Marauders!

Ray
« Last Edit: February 05, 2016, 10:13:45 PM by RayK »

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Re: WAKE UP CROSMAN
« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2016, 10:31:36 PM »
.25 M-Rod is a great performer from them.  To bad everything else is gimmicks under cover.  :'(
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Re: WAKE UP CROSMAN
« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2016, 11:16:23 AM »
The .25 Mrod was my gateway into the PCP world and its been a good gun. And yet as I learned more I realized it has many little flaws that if corrected could easily make it great. My biggest complaint has been how inefficient it is with air usage. That's very fixable by simply opening up the valve and the ports. Crosman should be able to do that easy. Look at what drastic performance differences happen between a stock Mrod and an Mrod with a modified or new valve. The engineers at Crosman should have perked up and made changes when home modders were able to so easily improve the performance of the gun with nothing but a drill.

I haven't been impressed with anything else Crosman has put out since the Marauder. The Bulldog was hyped up in such a way I was interested in one but the real world performance just wasn't there. I have no interest in a somewhat powerful .357 airgun that is loud and bulky. I might as well just use a .357 powder burner. I'm moving on to the WAR Flex and other high-end airguns and not looking back.

But I think others are right. They are marketing to the casual crowd. The "Walmart" airgun-isle crowd in the Outdoors section. They have the name recognition. Whenever I introduce a new person to high powered PCPs they always light up at the mention of the "Benjamin" Marauder because they recognize the Benjamin name from their childhood. That's how Crosman is keeping up. I bet their bread and butter is not the Marauder, but their springer platforms, as that's what you find in every chain store across the country.

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Re: WAKE UP CROSMAN
« Reply #26 on: March 02, 2016, 11:57:42 AM »
My first foray is a Hatson AT44 coming soon from WAR. While it is my first PCP, I did my research! During the research, I had a chance to shoot a 22 cal. Marauder, but for some reason it just didn't feel quite right. It was a bit loud too. The same friend has a Bulldog to boot, and it is even louder! In other words, quietness is a requisite attribute.

I love my 397. Out to 25 yards or so, it works very well, and a .22 would go a bit further. But the AT coming is a .25, and if it shoots as good as I think it will, I'll be very satisfied.
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Re: WAKE UP CROSMAN
« Reply #27 on: March 02, 2016, 11:58:10 AM »
The .25 Mrod was my gateway into the PCP world and its been a good gun. And yet as I learned more I realized it has many little flaws that if corrected could easily make it great. My biggest complaint has been how inefficient it is with air usage. That's very fixable by simply opening up the valve and the ports. Crosman should be able to do that easy. Look at what drastic performance differences happen between a stock Mrod and an Mrod with a modified or new valve. The engineers at Crosman should have perked up and made changes when home modders were able to so easily improve the performance of the gun with nothing but a drill.

I haven't been impressed with anything else Crosman has put out since the Marauder. The Bulldog was hyped up in such a way I was interested in one but the real world performance just wasn't there. I have no interest in a somewhat powerful .357 airgun that is loud and bulky. I might as well just use a .357 powder burner. I'm moving on to the WAR Flex and other high-end airguns and not looking back.

But I think others are right. They are marketing to the casual crowd. The "Walmart" airgun-isle crowd in the Outdoors section. They have the name recognition. Whenever I introduce a new person to high powered PCPs they always light up at the mention of the "Benjamin" Marauder because they recognize the Benjamin name from their childhood. That's how Crosman is keeping up. I bet their bread and butter is not the Marauder, but their springer platforms, as that's what you find in every chain store across the country.

So Travis, with all that being said, are selling your  M-Rod?  Lol.

Seriously, you are right with Crosman not doing their due diligence.
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Re: WAKE UP CROSMAN
« Reply #28 on: March 04, 2016, 06:40:48 AM »
After my .25 Mrod took a tumble I salvaged what I could from it, including the valve, and installed it all in my brother's gun. His gun now has my old gun's performance with the A2A valve and the WAR tank extension. I was going to keep what was left of mine for spare parts, but I'm going to instead rebuild it and keep it just for sentimental value. I'm going to keep it at factory power levels and just work on getting a high shot count and flat string out of it. No need to try to push it to the max when I can have all the high FPE I want with my Flex.

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Re: WAKE UP CROSMAN
« Reply #29 on: May 17, 2016, 05:51:17 AM »
For many of us ... wish to have a bottled M-rod we simply make it happen doing so our self !
This one contains an in-tube regulator using a 360 cc bottle and does near 100 shots with JSB 18.1s at @ 870 fps making 30 ft lbs power.




Crosman DOES NOT LISTEN ... or they already would have a Long Air tube version of there successful 17XX & 22XX pistols using the 4 bolt on receiver w/ left-right cocking bolt. making a Version 2 DISCO that would simply ROCK !!

Why not is any ones guess  :P :P :P :P

This is a great efficiency, what is the exact efficiency?
It is better efficiency of Flex .22?
http://airgunguild.com/index.php?topic=282.0
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