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Re: SSG and results
« Reply #45 on: January 26, 2016, 07:25:49 PM »
Thanks Bob.  Lots of pellets over the crono. Im getting shooters shoulder from cocking the gun so much.

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Re: SSG and results
« Reply #46 on: January 27, 2016, 09:37:07 PM »
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Re: SSG and results
« Reply #48 on: January 28, 2016, 07:22:30 PM »
Here is how you build a SSG WRONG!!! http://www.network54.com/Forum/79574/message/1454028263/DIY+Marauder+Rifle+%28both+generations%29+FreeFlight+Hammer+Debounce+Kit+-+%2430.45+shipped

I haven't tried to build on yet, but this looks like it does the same thing as the other 7 or 8 variations I've seen.
What about it makes it wrong?

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Re: SSG and results
« Reply #49 on: January 28, 2016, 07:37:02 PM »
Lots of things!! First hes using a very short bolt so you have to crank the spring down to get preload so now its going to be a bitch to cock, second the spring is way to big for a SSG it rides on the ID of the hammer(bad news) third the rod in the middle should  be very close to the rod bore or the spring will cock and bind. Fourth using a plastic spacer for preload is absurd and will only fail in time, I could go on but thats enough I think.
« Last Edit: January 28, 2016, 07:59:39 PM by oldpro »

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Re: SSG and results
« Reply #50 on: January 28, 2016, 08:16:17 PM »
Lots of things!! First hes using a very short bolt so you have to crank the spring down to get preload so now its going to be a bitch to cock, second the spring is way to big for a SSG it rides on the ID of the hammer(bad news) third the rod in the middle should  be very close to the rod bore or the spring will cock and bind. Fourth using a plastic spacer for preload is absurd and will only fail in time, I could go on but thats enough I think.

So it sounds like a shorter, smaller diameter spring and a preload spacer made from aluminum would fix all of the above?

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Re: SSG and results
« Reply #51 on: January 28, 2016, 08:26:30 PM »
Longer spring way longer and smaller od to boot with no spacer.

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Re: SSG and results
« Reply #52 on: January 28, 2016, 08:27:01 PM »
No, a longer, softer spring of a smaller diameter.... but you don't get any spring at that price, it uses the MRod spring to keep the cost down.... It's a quick development to take advantage of the excitement surrounding the SSG, without bothering to get a basic understanding of (or intentionally ignoring) all of the advantages.... It will undoubtedly work, to a degree.... but could be made so much better....

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Re: SSG and results
« Reply #53 on: January 28, 2016, 08:35:49 PM »
 Someday Bob Im going to disagree with you!  but not Today as usual LOL Bob right on the money. I guess this guy is taking claim to this blasphemy http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=102095.600  I wouldnt LOL
« Last Edit: January 28, 2016, 08:38:28 PM by oldpro »

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Re: SSG and results
« Reply #54 on: January 28, 2016, 08:42:47 PM »
Whoa, don't hang Steve in NC's variation on I_like_Irons.... The concept may be the same, but the execution is totally Steve's....

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Re: SSG and results
« Reply #55 on: January 28, 2016, 09:09:41 PM »
Dammit your right again I over reacted I read it like David was in partners with Steve.

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Re: SSG and results
« Reply #56 on: January 28, 2016, 09:14:01 PM »
Nylon tube/anything in a system that put large continual and repeated pressure on it, isn't a very good solution in the long run.
And it'll work for a while, however, as been said already, looks like its a solution to make a quick "buck" using parts from the bin.


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Re: SSG and results
« Reply #57 on: January 29, 2016, 05:11:10 AM »
Nylon tube/anything in a system that put large continual and repeated pressure on it, isn't a very good solution in the long run.
And it'll work for a while, however, as been said already, looks like its a solution to make a quick "buck" using parts from the bin.

I honestly thought this was the "Idea" from the beginning. I thought guys were taking stuff out of parts bin (or going to Hardware store and spending $4) and getting 40% more shots. Now guys are selling them for $30 or close to $100? Until we have some "independent" tests done on the actual air savings, and see what happens (in the way of wear) after 10,000 shots, I think I'll just keep watching the results.

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Re: SSG and results
« Reply #58 on: January 29, 2016, 07:09:46 AM »
Bigtinboat:
Sure, I don't think anyone is advocating that it has to be expensive. Or that you cannot use parts you have laying around, but in order to execute well, you need to understand  how something is working, in detail, followed by a understanding of how to properly put something together.
The concern some have is the particular way this one have been assembled, functionally decent, but dubious on dimensions and materials.

For instance, nylon is a great material if wear resistance and low friction coefficient is your primary priority, but in this case dimensional stability, shock resistance, should have higher priority, which Nylon scores poorly in, relative to other materials.
Tensile strength is good (pulling it apart), but impact resistance is only ok to poor depending on which nylon variant you get.
ABS for example is 5 times stronger in impact applications than nylon, even Delrin is twice the strength of nylon.
It also looks like the tube wall on that particular application seem a bit thin, even if the impact strength of chosen material was good/excellent.
Remember the pre compressed load is going to be between 5-10lbs then cocked, maybe 20+lbs, upon returning from the valve it has some speed and mass, hopefully not greater than the preload on it, but probably more than enough to start fatiguing the nylon very quickly.

That said, anyone are free to do what they want, the way they want to do it.

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Re: SSG and results
« Reply #59 on: February 03, 2016, 07:41:14 AM »
Dont know if this is a stupid question or not. Is there a notable difference between the NBH and SSG? More specificly oldpros production one. I would venture to say so but I'd rather know for a fact than not. Others have been asking on the marauder forum but no response that I've seen so figured I'd ask on here. Thanks
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