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Where does 2+2 not =4? GTA of course.....
« on: November 19, 2020, 05:17:39 AM »
Five days ago Travis posted about "Record Growth" noting he had over 18,000 members (it was 18,005 at the time) . He also boosted that he was getting 17.3 members per day. That means he should be at 18,090 now, right? Why is he at 18,016?

Looking at his "Stats" page it has listed 33, 30 and 31 for the 16th, 17th and 18th.

https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?action=stats

What? Looking at the members page is lists (waiting approval or shooter) as 12, 7 and 9 for the same 3 days. Huh?

https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?action=mlist;sort=registered;start=0;desc

Now if you look at the "New members for 2019" you get - 17527......add that to the 5339 from 2018 and they should already be at 22,867.

If you take a look at all of his stats you will see that the site is really going DOWN hill....and fast. You have to go back to Sept 4th to see the last time he had 100K page views (And a bunch of these I think are from guys who play Grand Theft Auto vid games)

Go back and look at 2019 (Prior to Travis taking over) Hard to find a day UNDER 100K. Heck they were getting OVER 700K on some days.
Compare October 2019 to 2020 and see what you get.

Talk about FAKE NEWS


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Re: Where does 2+2 not =4? GTA of course.....
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2020, 08:07:43 AM »
Why don't you spend more time supporting the GTA site instead of all of this negative you spill out.  The numbers would increase for you if that's bothering you.  Who cares about the semantics with the numbers...It's about enjoying airguns, our passion.  Of course the numbers are never going to be exact being a fluid flow on visits to any sight.  I guess if they had reworded the statement to say "roughly" on the numbers, you wouldn't have a leg to stand on with this thread.  I personally have noticed an uptick on the GTA myself recently after a lot of the temporary haters have come back from the recent management change, plus all of the new members.  It's quite obvious to the frequent flyers over there, regardless of any other opinions.  I like all of the available sites that talk about airguns.  It's hard to believe anyone else would go against one of them if passionate about airguns to begin with.
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Re: Where does 2+2 not =4? GTA of course.....
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2020, 04:00:17 PM »
Why don't you spend more time supporting the GTA site instead of all of this negative you spill out.  The numbers would increase for you if that's bothering you.  Who cares about the semantics with the numbers...It's about enjoying airguns, our passion.  Of course the numbers are never going to be exact being a fluid flow on visits to any sight.  I guess if they had reworded the statement to say "roughly" on the numbers, you wouldn't have a leg to stand on with this thread.  I personally have noticed an uptick on the GTA myself recently after a lot of the temporary haters have come back from the recent management change, plus all of the new members.  It's quite obvious to the frequent flyers over there, regardless of any other opinions.  I like all of the available sites that talk about airguns.  It's hard to believe anyone else would go against one of them if passionate about airguns to begin with.

All this "negative"? How is calling the guy out "negative"? Fact Checking, that's all. Approx? Over 17,000 new members in 2019, then Travis takes charge and it's 9,000 in 2020? And the total is no where near the 17K plus 9K (Plus all those from the first 9 years) Please tell us how that's "Record" growth.


 He's a fraud, has always been like that. Look at the #'s closely, he's taking that site downhill all for what? $$$$$$$- yep.
If someone posted how off his #'s were on that site they would likely get banned.
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Re: Where does 2+2 not =4? GTA of course.....
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2020, 06:43:09 PM »
Why don't you spend more time supporting the GTA site instead of all of this negative you spill out.  The numbers would increase for you if that's bothering you.  Who cares about the semantics with the numbers...It's about enjoying airguns, our passion.  Of course the numbers are never going to be exact being a fluid flow on visits to any sight.  I guess if they had reworded the statement to say "roughly" on the numbers, you wouldn't have a leg to stand on with this thread.  I personally have noticed an uptick on the GTA myself recently after a lot of the temporary haters have come back from the recent management change, plus all of the new members.  It's quite obvious to the frequent flyers over there, regardless of any other opinions.  I like all of the available sites that talk about airguns.  It's hard to believe anyone else would go against one of them if passionate about airguns to begin with.

All this "negative"? How is calling the guy out "negative"? Fact Checking, that's all. Approx? Over 17,000 new members in 2019, then Travis takes charge and it's 9,000 in 2020? And the total is no where near the 17K plus 9K (Plus all those from the first 9 years) Please tell us how that's "Record" growth.


 He's a fraud, has always been like that. Look at the #'s closely, he's taking that site downhill all for what? $$$$$$$- yep.
If someone posted how off his #'s were on that site they would likely get banned.


Have it your way...I'm out of here and am going back to air gunning as I am not able to cast stones, so I cannot hang with you.    Travis has helped a lot of people he didn't have to.  I know this firsthand.
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Re: Where does 2+2 not =4? GTA of course.....
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2020, 03:35:38 AM »
  he(oldpro)took me to the cleaner on my first mrod providing all the parts and very very sub par tune,i gave him the chance to redeem himself and sent another mrod his way and got raked again.very poor tunes to say the least.i sent the mrods to dairyboy and got really great tunes,way more shots and way more power out of both rifles.i cannot thank dairyboy enough for his time/work on my mrods.i not going as far to say he is a fraud but he did not give me what he stated he would,take that for what it is worth.
  no firearms talk at GTA at all so the rules state but certain members can spout off about firearms and firearms ammo without recourse,it is an air gun site...i am having to agree with PaAirgunner about the "new" GTA.in no way am i casting stones as i live in a glass house as all of us do but i am stating facts,nothing but facts...in this world all we really have is our word to uphold our dignity and pride.at this point i would love to go back to air gunning but it is pitch black here and hard to see any targets...
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Re: Where does 2+2 not =4? GTA of course.....
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2020, 06:46:12 AM »
I still frequent the GTA and have gained a lot of knowledge from that forum.  There are still a lot of knowledgable folks that hang out there and contribute in a positive way.  I was not thrilled with the change over and publicly posted it, but I have since moved on...  There are specific posts and posters that I just pass right on by because past experience has taught me that what they post may or may not be true, factual or helpful.  But I have also learned who I can rely on, and those are the posts and posters that I follow and learn from.  It's a free world, we can pick and choose who and what we follow...
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Re: Where does 2+2 not =4? GTA of course.....
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2020, 10:26:10 AM »
I go to most of the other airgun forums and see what folks are up to. That includes the GTA, AGN, etc. I post less frequently than I used to, but still will post hunting / pesting reports, and to help folks out. If I can help others then I’m all for it, and doesn’t matter which forum it is.

I find it fascinating that Travis used to be the owner of this forum, which he (and I) created as a response to him getting kicked off of AGN and that in his opinion the GTA had too many secrets. Of course for years the motto of this site was “The Airgun forum with no secrets”.

Originally Travis said he wanted to provide a forum where folks who were pushing the technology, making airguns and parts, have a safe place to freely talk about everything airguns and have a place to sell their goods and services. In the bowels of the forum lurks the store I built waiting for another day.

When the Guild went up, I was contacted by an admin at the GTA and got my ass chewed out for betraying the GTA by creating the Guild with Travis. That was surprising to me as I personally had no bone to pick with the GTA.

So times change, and Travis lost interest in the Guild and sold it to Alan. For an Airgun forum with no secrets, it was Alan who gave me the news. The Airgun Guild is undoubtably in better hands.

I think that we’re doing ok. We don’t have massive traffic or twenty gazillion members, but we keep plugging along and rarely stifle anyone’s free speech, and usually have some pretty interesting posts and exchanges of ideas. 

An occasional four letter word crops up, and we are fine with that. I prefer a group of folks who are smart enough to temper their language and avoid having the admins banning words that might offend some folks. We’re all adults.

I stepped up a year or so ago and provided the GTA with a script I wrote to keep out robots that were hitting the GTA hard, and bringing it to a crawl. I was happy to help. It’s a never ending task as new bots show up and slow the sites down and tax the database, use up bandwidth and server resources. We are always updating our script as new bots try to infiltrate. GTA needs to update that script as they still have many bots hitting the site and scraping the content and slowing things down.

At any rate I will continue to visit the other forums and post here and there. I see the other forums as complimentary to each other, with slightly different approaches, and niches.

Cheers!

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Re: Where does 2+2 not =4? GTA of course.....
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2020, 10:47:49 AM »
As an American we have the FIRST AMENDMENT and it's supplements stating FREEDOM OF SPEECH under government.
The HARSH reality is this ...  AKA: Public forums are PRIVATE ( OXI moron indeed ) and what you can say freely is arguably 100% ANTI First Amendment  :P

More times than not only ONE SIDES truth or position becomes the narrative folks are left to read within forums posts, message boards etc ...  No different than history being written by the victorious or more strong arm able and loosers perspective being swept up or locked up.

THUS ... THIS IS WHERE WE ARE on so many fronts on the Air Gun forums ( hell ... our society in general )  >:(   FACTS get buffered or removed with transparency seldom happening so folks Seldom at any level have the information they would or could use to make an EDUCATED decision.

This relates to Business's, Individuals, Forum/s & Politics etc etc etc .... 


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Re: Where does 2+2 not =4? GTA of course.....
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2020, 02:27:48 PM »
When it comes to things in life, I've found that my grandfather's (an old Russian-Jewish chicken rancher) advice was great and some of things he said will always stick with me.

The best life examples are those that are exhibited, not preached

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Re: Where does 2+2 not =4? GTA of course.....
« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2020, 03:57:41 PM »
Allow me to be brash.

The one single thing, if there was only one thing, my GrandFather taught me, it was this:

"You might as well speak your piece, because it is written all over your face, anyway!"
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Re: Where does 2+2 not =4? GTA of course.....
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2020, 05:51:42 PM »
Why don't you spend more time supporting the GTA site instead of all of this negative you spill out.  The numbers would increase for you if that's bothering you.  Who cares about the semantics with the numbers...It's about enjoying airguns, our passion.  Of course the numbers are never going to be exact being a fluid flow on visits to any sight.  I guess if they had reworded the statement to say "roughly" on the numbers, you wouldn't have a leg to stand on with this thread.  I personally have noticed an uptick on the GTA myself recently after a lot of the temporary haters have come back from the recent management change, plus all of the new members.  It's quite obvious to the frequent flyers over there, regardless of any other opinions.  I like all of the available sites that talk about airguns.  It's hard to believe anyone else would go against one of them if passionate about airguns to begin with.

Now when someone questioned the #'s not adding up, as I had said, your buddy is telling them that he is purging people who have not signed on in a year. Well that's total BS. Just go to the member stats page and sort then by # of posts. After you get past the "pending membership" with zero posts look at those with 1 post. Plenty of guys on there who haven't signed on in over a year.

I went to below link and looked at 10 members on the page. 9 of the 10 haven't logged on in 3-5 years.

https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?action=mlist;sort=posts;start=0


https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?action=profile;u=36251
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?action=profile;u=2677
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?action=profile;u=12682
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?action=profile;u=18740
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?action=profile;u=26927
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?action=profile;u=26928
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?action=profile;u=14847
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?action=profile;u=2547
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?action=profile;u=14679
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Re: Where does 2+2 not =4? GTA of course.....
« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2020, 05:58:05 PM »
This is a problem.

Too many unregistered users or guests accessing the forum. A good many of those guests are most likely bots. If those "guests" start using the search function, then the site will slow to a crawl. If those "guests" start following links and hitting the database, the site will slow to a crawl. Someone needs to spend the time, to copy all the IP Addresses, and sort them so see which ones are from the same bot farm, and block them at the server level. It needs to be looked at every few months too, as new bots will show up. Because I'm not an admin there, the ip addresses of the guests are not accessible to me. Otherwise I could render an educated guess at who a lot of these guests are, and what bot farm they are from. Or at the very least determine if they are known bots.

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Re: Where does 2+2 not =4? GTA of course.....
« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2020, 06:08:18 PM »
A good for instance is a minute ago there were 20 guests on the guild.

This range is from SEMRush - an SEO firm that is crawling the site and I'm about to add them to my ban list.  8)
Guest (185.191.171.1)
Guest (185.191.171.16)
Guest (185.191.171.18)
Guest (185.191.171.20)
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This range is from Hetzner Online AG and has numerous complaints for spamming. Will be banned.
Guest (144.76.22.66)
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This range is Microsoft's Bing Bot. I want to show up in search results on Bing, Google etc. So I give them a pass.
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Re: Where does 2+2 not =4? GTA of course.....
« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2020, 03:15:23 AM »
I'm going to lock this thread, and here's why:

Everyone has an opinion, and they're free to express them. In this case, it is getting a bit too personal with respect to one person, which violates the Golden Rule we all know by heart.
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