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Re: USPS Go Slow Orders
« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2020, 07:16:14 PM »
It is hard to believe my area, USPS could be any slower then it is. The UPS driver told me the last time he stopped by that he drove by my house, 2 days ago, with stuff for me (dinger for driveway) and went to the next town and dropped off the package at the post office. I still had not received it when he told me. I had to call the postmaster to raise cane. It is a small town everyone knows everyone else, so the mail carrier delivered it the next day. That is BS, why is UPS dropping off my box for USPS to put on my doorstep?? any way not happy.

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« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2020, 07:41:57 PM »
For as long as I’ve been old enough to send and receive things in the mail and been able to compare USPS to other services, USPS has pleased me. I despise FedEx.

This is the first time I’ve been concerned with USPS having a systemic problem. I’ve always considered USPS, along with the military and some Federal law enforcement, as the only functions of Federal government that work well.

This new situation makes me mad to the extent that every time I pay postage I’m funding whatever it should take to move my mail in the promised time. I don’t see how lack of funding is much of a valid excuse like it might be for other agencies that aren’t self-funded. If less revenue is coming in because less postage is being bought, that should mean that their resources are freed up more to move packages faster.
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« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2020, 04:59:42 AM »
No one can believe the situations inside the USPS. I'm fairly good friends with my carrier, and if just 10% of the stories I hear are true, the USPS isn't long-lived, under its present modus operandi.

From a personal point of view... Last year I was at out local PO, at about 6:30 am, using the automated system to ship a small package. Our illustrious postmistress was bawling out some employee with some of the worse language I have ever heard! I suspect she didn't realize that I, and several others who had been checking their boxes, could hear every word. Later that day, I ask my carrier about the incident. Turns out, she was yelling at him! Over the course of several weeks, as an internal complaint took its slow course, the postmistress was placed on leave, without pay, for thirty days. The foul-mouthed jesibel is still employed as out postmistress! Had this been a private company scenario, she'd be out on her keister! The unfortunate part is, she isn't alone! Once a fed employee is tenured, it is nearly impossible to fire them, even the non-union ones. And this isn't a USPS-only "thing"! We're all diminished!

As for FedEx. I'm a long term FedEx stock holder. This fact may taint my opinion a bit.

I have had one instance with FedEx that wasn't weather or situation related (i.e. Riots, etc.). Since it was all but life threatening, FedEx stepped up to the plate, replaced the item, and delivered it on a Sunday morning, just one day late! Vista-United (a Disney company) couldn't believe their luck. As far as I know, they still only) use FedEx exclusively.

I do not ship anything via UPS, unless there is no other way. There are two scenarios here. The local office, and their terminal manager. A couple of years ago, an order from Amazon (≈$800) was to be delivered by 10:30 am via UPS Red. They showed it delivered at 9:00 am, which it wasn't. At about 8:00 PM it finally was delivered. The next day cost was almost $400. They refused to pay me back. My lawyer got involved (the package was for him!). A CD-ROM video of the UPS truck sitting across the street (with its vehicle number clearly visible) for almost 5 minutes, at the time they say is was delivered, then driving off, proved they purposely falsified the delivery time. The driver's excuse? Are you ready? He claimed, because he was a Jehovah's Witness, that he wasn't allowed by the church to deliver alcohol! That driver is now the terminal manager! Sounds like the fed to me!
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Re: USPS Go Slow Orders
« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2020, 06:28:55 AM »
What I hate about UPS; Fedx; and their collaboration with USPS is the disconnect or lag time in delivering. UPS and Fedx both have a terminal ~ 40 miles from my front door, but anymore a package that leaves (retailer) as a UPS/Fedx package is "handed off" to USPS ~40 miles from me and sets with USPS for at least one and most of the time two days before it again begins the trek.  Amazon uses this type of shipping as well as Midway USA, ect.
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« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2020, 07:38:37 AM »
For as long as I’ve been old enough to send and receive things in the mail and been able to compare USPS to other services, USPS has pleased me. I despise FedEx.

This is the first time I’ve been concerned with USPS having a systemic problem. I’ve always considered USPS, along with the military and some Federal law enforcement, as the only functions of Federal government that work well.

This new situation makes me mad to the extent that every time I pay postage I’m funding whatever it should take to move my mail in the promised time. I don’t see how lack of funding is much of a valid excuse like it might be for other agencies that aren’t self-funded. If less revenue is coming in because less postage is being bought, that should mean that their resources are freed up more to move packages faster.

I highlighted "New Situation", because it is just that.

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The new head of the U.S. Postal Service established major operational changes Monday that could slow down mail delivery, warning employees the agency would not survive unless it made “difficult” changes to cut costs. But critics say such a philosophical sea change would sacrifice operational efficiency and cede its competitive edge to UPS, FedEx and other private-sector rivals.

Postmaster General Louis DeJoy told employees to leave mail behind at distribution centers if it delayed letter carriers from their routes, according to internal USPS documents obtained by The Washington Post and verified by the American Postal Workers Union and three people with knowledge of their contents, but who spoke on the condition of anonymity to avoid retribution.

“If the plants run late, they will keep the mail for the next day,” according to a document titled, “New PMG’s [Postmaster General’s] expectations and plan.” Traditionally, postal workers are trained not to leave letters behind and to make multiple delivery trips to ensure timely distribution of letters and parcels...

There is more. Read today's news, and connect the dots. If you struggle to connect the dots, then PM me and I'll point you in the correct direction.

The USPS Slow Down is real, and it is political.
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« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2020, 07:59:24 AM »
For as long as I’ve been old enough to send and receive things in the mail and been able to compare USPS to other services, USPS has pleased me. I despise FedEx.

This is the first time I’ve been concerned with USPS having a systemic problem. I’ve always considered USPS, along with the military and some Federal law enforcement, as the only functions of Federal government that work well.

This new situation makes me mad to the extent that every time I pay postage I’m funding whatever it should take to move my mail in the promised time. I don’t see how lack of funding is much of a valid excuse like it might be for other agencies that aren’t self-funded. If less revenue is coming in because less postage is being bought, that should mean that their resources are freed up more to move packages faster.

I highlighted "New Situation", because it is just that.

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The new head of the U.S. Postal Service established major operational changes Monday that could slow down mail delivery, warning employees the agency would not survive unless it made “difficult” changes to cut costs. But critics say such a philosophical sea change would sacrifice operational efficiency and cede its competitive edge to UPS, FedEx and other private-sector rivals.

Postmaster General Louis DeJoy told employees to leave mail behind at distribution centers if it delayed letter carriers from their routes, according to internal USPS documents obtained by The Washington Post and verified by the American Postal Workers Union and three people with knowledge of their contents, but who spoke on the condition of anonymity to avoid retribution.

“If the plants run late, they will keep the mail for the next day,” according to a document titled, “New PMG’s [Postmaster General’s] expectations and plan.” Traditionally, postal workers are trained not to leave letters behind and to make multiple delivery trips to ensure timely distribution of letters and parcels...

There is more. Read today's news, and connect the dots. If you struggle to connect the dots, then PM me and I'll point you in the correct direction.

The USPS Slow Down is real, and it is political.

Well, sort of, yes. But I did some research that indicates the service has been in the hole since 2006. Their unions pushed for a requirement that employee retirements be paid in full advance. That bankrupted them. Thus the reason they went from being perfectly self-funded and balanced to being in debt. Currently their yearly debt is twice their income.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/15/postal-service-bailout-congress/%3foutputType=amp

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/15/afl-cio/widespread-facebook-post-blames-2006-law-us-postal/

So it sounds like USPS is suffering from a couple of decades of mismanagement that falls back on government mishandling overall from both sides and it needs some sort of overhaul. Which is nothing less than I expect from the Federal government.

The difference between this debacle and other recent government schemes is that USPS has a couple of centuries behind it of reasonably good management and service. And its a Constitutionally mandated service. One of the few the Constitution clearly bestows on the Federal government. Its a service that no one can deny that the Federal government was intended to have the responsibility of carrying out.

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Re: USPS Go Slow Orders
« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2020, 08:33:45 AM »

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Well, sort of, yes. But I did some research that indicates the service has been in the hole since 2006. Their unions pushed for a requirement that employee retirements be paid in full advance. That bankrupted them. Thus the reason they went from being perfectly self-funded and balanced to being in debt. Currently their yearly debt is twice their income.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/15/postal-service-bailout-congress/%3foutputType=amp

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/15/afl-cio/widespread-facebook-post-blames-2006-law-us-postal/

So it sounds like USPS is suffering from a couple of decades of mismanagement that falls back on government mishandling overall from both sides and it needs some sort of overhaul. Which is nothing less than I expect from the Federal government.

The difference between this debacle and other recent government schemes is that USPS has a couple of centuries behind it of reasonably good management and service. And its a Constitutionally mandated service. One of the few the Constitution clearly bestows on the Federal government. Its a service that no one can deny that the Federal government was intended to have the responsibility of carrying out.

Thank you. I am aware of this history. Good sources.

This is key: "Constitutionally mandated service.", which in my mind makes it an essential business, and thus needs to be protected financially. Equally important is protecting its reputation, by insuring that it delivers in a reasonable time frame, to assure Americans that the USPS is reliable especially when it comes to things like Absentee voting and Mail-in ballots for elections.  We are after all in the middle of a world wide pandemic.

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Re: USPS Go Slow Orders
« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2020, 03:16:02 PM »
Ok, back from the Post Office, and an exercise in futility.

The package I sent was through the USPS website, and I used PayPal to pay for it.

It cost me $69 and change to ship USPS Priority Mail 2nd Day.

I walked in the PO, and waited in line for about 2 minutes. Explained my case to the First Lady, and handed her my papers. She saw PayPal and blurted out, I'd have to take it up with PayPal. I calmly explained, nope, I purchased Click and Ship on the USPS website and used PayPal to pay for it. She actually muttered to herself, and tried typing in the information into her terminal, and said, sorry our system is down. Funny thing the USPS website came up fine for me. But I understand they probably have a different system.

She squinted at my paperwork and said, this is 2nd Day Priority, and NOT 2nd Day Express. The latter is guaranteed, the former has no guarantee.

I said that a service labeled as two day shouldn't take 9 days, even during a pandemic. Reasonable expectations would be 2-4 days, and not 9.  She and the two other ladies disagreed with me. I said, I'm will to bet that this is not pandemic related, rather that it's the USPS Slow Down as mandated by your new leader. All three sheepishly nodded.

Anyway, I got nothing, which is par for course for my local PO.  They broke my DAQ .58 Rifle in shipping and would not honor the insurance that I paid for. I guess the handwriting is on the wall.

I throw up my hands, and plot my revenge. That revenge being I am voting for change, and I'll change my shipping to Fedx or UPS. I will help the USPS fail by boycotting their sorry services.

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« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2020, 03:28:52 PM »
I now receive an email service from USPS called informed delivery that has a picture of every piece of mail coming to me on a given day.  I wonder just how much that cost to implement.   Had to be a bunch ::)
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Re: USPS Go Slow Orders
« Reply #24 on: July 31, 2020, 04:56:42 AM »
I'm always taken back by every fed employee I have dealt with. And, I'm always reminded of the line in Harold & Maude, when Maude utters.... "it is the curse of a government job!"
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« Reply #25 on: July 31, 2020, 09:58:39 AM »
I'm always taken back by every fed employee I have dealt with. And, I'm always reminded of the line in Harold & Maude, when Maude utters.... "it is the curse of a government job!"

To be fair, I was taken back when working in a business, where the owner hired his two incompetent brothers, and sister. They were promoted over everyone else in spite of their substance abuse problems. We figured the relatives were making twice the salaries we were and having fewer responsibilities and much lower productivity. There's a word, I'm looking for.... oh, yeah. Nepotism. Then there are politicians who do the same.  >:(
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« Reply #26 on: July 31, 2020, 10:15:48 AM »
You should cross that out, and say... ALL politicians!
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« Reply #27 on: August 01, 2020, 07:19:52 AM »
Well that was interesting.

This morning I got an email from USPS saying they are giving me a partial refund of the shipping. $30.30

Of course the email is generic and they don’t specifically say what the reason is.

I used their click and ship system, carefully measured and weighed the box. Shrug.

Strange times.
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« Reply #28 on: August 01, 2020, 10:44:42 AM »
Well that was interesting.

This morning I got an email from USPS saying they are giving me a partial refund of the shipping. $30.30

Of course the email is generic and they don’t specifically say what the reason is.

I used their click and ship system, carefully measured and weighed the box. Shrug.

Strange times.

Did the folks get the gun

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« Reply #29 on: August 01, 2020, 10:50:57 AM »
Well that was interesting.

This morning I got an email from USPS saying they are giving me a partial refund of the shipping. $30.30

Of course the email is generic and they don’t specifically say what the reason is.

I used their click and ship system, carefully measured and weighed the box. Shrug.

Strange times.

Did the folks get the gun

Bobn

Yes he got it. Was a 2 day delivery that turned into 9 days.
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