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Re: Corona Virus any change to your day to day yet?
« Reply #120 on: July 22, 2020, 09:39:29 PM »
Thank you Bob. I had started to verify this claim and got distracted and never got back to it.

It’s been a day of frustrating experiences with Facebook friends constantly sharing incorrect and misleading information. I finally blocked one. I’m exhausted trying fact check what I know is BS. Of course the poster never believes me and never has the gumption to fact check themselves.

This country is imploding. Got room in Canada?

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« Reply #121 on: July 22, 2020, 10:09:21 PM »
Always room for a valuable contributor to Canadian society....  8)

I heard something a couple of days ago about the US that really concerns me.... Roughly 1/3 of the population now feels that the Coronavirus is a hoax/hype designed to dethrone Trump in November, and that it will go away after the election, regardless of who is elected.... Not only that, but the percentage of Americans who feel that way is increasing, and has been increasing since the pandemic started.... How the people who feel that way justify the 11 million cases and nearly 500,000 deaths in the REST of the world, I cannot fathom.... Do they believe that is a hoax as well, or that the rest of the world really care who the next POTUS is, enough to kill our own citizens?....

To all those who feel that way, give your head a shake.... If you want to self-destruct, and become a 3rd world country because you think this is all (forgive the pun) "trumped up".... I have news for you.... Your politics are just NOT that important to us....  ::)

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« Reply #122 on: July 23, 2020, 04:22:13 AM »
The virus is airborne, to which we all agree. The virus is about 1 micron in diameter. Even the best respirator money can buy, only filters down to about 5 microns. So when we wear a mask, how does it filter the virus?
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« Reply #123 on: July 23, 2020, 06:49:00 AM »
An article that has citations of where it got its information. The ScienceNews.org and it’s long print history has a good reputation.

In short there is evidence to support wearing masks decreases the transmission of the Covid19 virus significantly.

Only in America would wearing a simple mask be seen as taking away Freedom.

Please look closely at your personal news sources and do so with a jaundiced eye.

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-19-coronavirus-why-wearing-masks-controversial
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Re: Corona Virus any change to your day to day yet?
« Reply #124 on: July 23, 2020, 07:35:49 AM »
The virus is airborne, to which we all agree. The virus is about 1 micron in diameter. Even the best respirator money can buy, only filters down to about 5 microns. So when we wear a mask, how does it filter the virus?

LOL it's like big football players trying to get thru the door at the same time and get stuck and die ::)

BTW Trump made China close their embassy in Houston yesterday man what a mess that was.
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« Reply #125 on: July 23, 2020, 07:37:09 AM »
None of this is really surprising, although heartbreakingly sad. The good ol' US of A has been patting itself on the back for 80 years. National pride morphed into elitism and arrogance and what used to be 'the greatest country in the world' is now just status quo and we're all shocked to be witnessing it first hand.

We've all been taught since our earliest memories that we're the greatest, most peaceful, most educated, most profitable, best lifestyle...the list goes on and on. To even QUESTION this concept was taboo and like most I never did question it. It's gospel.

Looking through myth, theology, politics, and conditioning of our minds there are many, many facts and concepts out there that may seem obvious but to actually state them out loud is perceived as a condemnation of patriotism or even religious belief.

1) Jesus was not white. I brought that up at a family dinner and it caused a rift that lasted for years. The very intelligent people at the table couldn't wrap their heads around the fact that Christ was not teleported from Ireland and placed in the Middle east.

2) Other countries no longer 'look up' to us, and haven't for a long time. Our arrogance and self entitlement has turned us into a laughing stock.

3) Our murder/crime rate is shocking. While we try to shift focus on other countries our citizens are dying by hands of other citizens at rates that are hard to comprehend.

4) We as a people are so focused on finding blame. Blame and penance are paramount to problem solving. China 'set loose' a virus. What about Three Mile Island? Love Canal? One was an accident, the other a coverup. And we did it to ourselves.

5) School shootings. Don't have a reason for that one, but that doesn't change the fact that it occurs for too often and for the most part only here. If we're so great, how does this happen?

6) We have a television personality/media mogul/caricature for a president who spends more time tweeting about his enemies (critics) than he does actually working. For everyone laughing at Kanye West running for president, is it really any more absurd?

7) Our supposed news agencies are nothing more than a shill for the conglomerates that run them. The 'news' that comes from them is on level of a four year old. But when zealots tune in, not to be informed but to hear want they want to hear, advertising dollars are made are salaries are paid. That's really the goal, right? making money? Fox news, joke. CNN, laughable. The headline everyday cannot be what the president is tweeting, doing right, doing wrong, etc.  We eat it up like children at an ice cream party so that's what's being delivered.

8) Our president has ordered homeland security to cities and employing tear gas on citizens. Sounds pretty third world to me.

9) Cops are killing people with impunity. Only cameras have made them accountable. I acknowledge that every situation is different, things happen fast and decisions have to made. However, I'm disgusted by seeing cops abusing people while multiple LEO's stand by and do nothing. The thin blue line is nothing more than a gang simple that furthers the divide between officers who swore an oath to protect and serve and the citizens that oath protects.

Notice there's nothing in here about Covid, masks, or the like. Most of our angst is the result of infighting, misinformation, plain ol' stupidity, arrogance, and sense of unabashed entitlement. I'm embarrassed for every veteran (alive or dead) who served and fought under the US flag only to see the results of that sacrifice. Until we can climb off of our high horse, look at things objectively, and be willing to make changes instead of just typing or tweeting about them we're not going to see anything get better.

I'm not an educated man. I graduated high school by the skin of my teeth, attended junior college for a semester, and have been a blue-collar working man my whole life. However, I'm intelligent enough to NOT need a 24 hour news station, conspiracy theorists, politician's drivel, copsplaining, or a priest/minister/rabbi/cleric to tell me what's right and wrong. A little humility, patience, and the ability to LISTEN goes a long way. We Americans have been so busy TELLING everyone how great we are that we've forgotten how to actually practice what we've preached since post WWII.

Please America, can we all just grow the **** up and work together? We are not each other's enemy. My second grandchild was just born this morning and I want her to live in peace here.

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Re: Corona Virus any change to your day to day yet?
« Reply #126 on: July 23, 2020, 07:51:51 AM »
Mike. In a recent post, you said you’ve been to Tennessee and Georgia, giving speeches and filming for your new show. Before that, you were on the road shooting for Dirty Jobs. Is it really so important to film a television show in the midst of pandemic? Is it responsible of you to encourage this kind of behavior when infection rates are spiking? Don’t you watch the news? More and more cases every day – aren’t you concerned?
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Of course, I’m concerned. I’m just not petrified.
On March 15th, the day after my part of the country was locked down, I posted a link to an interview with Dr. Michael Osterholm. I’m posting it again, because I believe you and everyone else in the country would benefit from listening carefully to what he has to say. https://bit.ly/2WLOM6o
Dr. Osterholm is the Director of Infectious Disease Research and Policy. This is the same epidemiologist who ten years ago, predicted a coronavirus would come from China and turn our country upside down. In his book “Deadliest Enemies,” he described the utterly irresponsible way in which the media would report on the situation, the completely opportunistic and shamelessly political way our leaders would likely react, and the unprecedented chaos and confusion that would arise from all the mixed messages from the medical community. His resume is unexampled, https://bit.ly/3jvzQTW, and his analysis of the situation is the most logical and persuasive of any I’d heard so far. He’s also the only expert I know of who hasn’t walked back his numbers, reconsidered his position, or moved the goalposts with regard to what we must do, what we can do, and what he expects to happen next. I say all of this because Dr. Osterholm also predicted that we could easily see 100 million COVID cases in this country, with a very strong possibility of 480,000 fatalities – even if we successfully “flattened the curve.”
It took me a few weeks to accept this scenario, because 480,000 fatalities is a frightening number, and lot of other experts were saying lots of conflicting things. But eventually, I came to the conclusion that Dr. Osterholm was probably correct, and quickly navigated the four stages of grief that usually precede acceptance – denial, anger, bargaining, and depression. By late April, I had come to accept Dr. Osterholm’s predictions as a matter of fact. Since then, I’ve had three full months to come to terms with the fact that, a) I am probably going to get COVID-19 at some point, b), I am almost certainly going to survive it, and c), I might very well give it to someone else.
I hope that doesn’t sound blasé, or glib, or fatalistic, or selfish. Four-hundred eighty thousand deaths is an obvious tragedy, and I’m deeply sympathetic to all who have been impacted thus far. I’m also very concerned for my parents, and everyone else in a high risk category. But when Dr. Osterholm says that COVID can be slowed, but not stopped, I believe him. When he says a vaccine will not necessarily hasten herd immunity, I believe him. And when he says that “flattening the curve” and eliminating the virus have nothing to do with each other, I believe him.
Thus, for the last three months, I’ve been operating from the assumption that this is a year-round virus that’s eventually going to infect 100 million people and kill roughly 1/2 of one percent of those infected. I’ve gotten used to those numbers in much the same way I’ve gotten used to the fact that 40,000 people will likely die on the highways this year. That’s why I’m not panicked or surprised by tens of thousands of daily COVID cases; I’ve been expecting them. Unfortunately, many others have not. Every day, millions of people watch the same breathless coverage by the same breathless journalists, who seem determined to do all they can to foster uncertainty. And so, millions of people are still paralyzed by fear, because they haven’t been given a chance to digest the truth, (or, what I believe to be the truth.) Fact is, we can accept almost anything if we’re given the facts, and enough time to get our heads around them. But if we don’t have an understanding of what’s really happening, we simply can’t get past denial and bargaining, where so many seem to be stuck, understandably so.
Imagine for a moment you had no idea how many people would die in car accidents this year. Now, imagine that every single accident – over six million a year in the US alone – were reported on the same way that every new COVID case is reported today. Imagine every day you were told in hysterical tones, that another 16,000 accidents had occurred, resulting in another 90 deaths per day. What would that do to your willingness to drive? Six million accidents is a lot of accidents, and 40,000 annual fatalities is a lot of death – especially if you don’t know how high that number could get. But we DO know the dangers of driving, and we’ve accepted those numbers. Consequently, we’re able to make a grown-up decision about whether or not we want to assume the associated risk of operating a motor vehicle.
Again, don’t misunderstand. I’m not ignoring COVID, and I’m not pretending the risks at hand aren’t real. I don’t want to get this disease and give it to someone else, any more than I want to be in a car wreck and hurt someone else. So, I take precautions. I get tested often. If I can’t distance, I wear a mask – especially around higher risk people. I also wear a seatbelt, obey the speed limits, and check my mirrors before changing lanes. I’m aware that we’d all be a lot safer if we kept our cars in the garage. I’m also aware we’d be a lot safer if we all kept ourselves in the house. But that’s not why cars, or people, exist.
Anyway Darlene, that’s a long way of saying that I have accepted Dr. Osterholm’s numbers, and now, after three months of acceptance, I’ve made a decision on how I wish to live my life. Sooner or later, you will too. We all will.
Mike
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Re: Corona Virus any change to your day to day yet?
« Reply #127 on: July 23, 2020, 08:23:53 AM »
Here's a very cogent easy read.   It is after all, just common sense.

https://insidescooppolitics.com/archives/2154

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« Reply #128 on: July 23, 2020, 01:32:39 PM »
The virus is airborne, to which we all agree. The virus is about 1 micron in diameter. Even the best respirator money can buy, only filters down to about 5 microns. So when we wear a mask, how does it filter the virus?

LOL it's like big football players trying to get thru the door at the same time and get stuck and die ::)

BTW Trump made China close their embassy in Houston yesterday man what a mess that was.
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Only it's not like big football players. It's more like a bunch of tiny football players trying to get through a door at the same time, only they're each attached to a ball roughly 100 times their size. None of them can get near to the door. That's what happens with a virus - it becomes non-viable very quickly if not attached to a water droplet, so we can count on anything infectious being attached to a water droplet. Water droplets only get so small. And thanks to surface tension, relating to electrical attraction, such droplets will tend to get caught up in the fibers of even relatively coarse, open-weave cloth. A single layer of 150 thread count cotton bandana will likely catch a huge proportion of such water droplets, coughed or sneezed into the environment by an infected person. A double layer, such as is typically worn with a typical bandana, will catch at least twice as many droplets, probably more than that owing to the confounding dynamic effects of having been pulled through the first layer. Particles scramble and slow down dramatically with the air they're borne in.

So even the simplest mask, whether a $0.50 surgical mask or a bandana or something you sewed on the old Singer out of old pillow cases, will significantly impede both ingress and egress of spitty particles. And it won't be the end of your life, your freedom, not even much of your comfort level to strap one on for a trip to the grocery store or a booze run. Seriously guys, how is a mask a crisis of American political freedom? What sort of collective insanity engenders such blather? I don't get it. Are people really so stupid as to believe a GLOBAL pandemic has ANYTHING to do with the US election? I think I can safely speak for Canada, and it appears I have Bob's nod on this one, in saying that we actually don't care all that much what you do down South so long as it isn't so stupid that it starts hurting us up here in the Northern country. Just try to be sensible, and if you can find it in yourself, avoid screaming about being forced to wear a mask at the supermarket, and even try to be a bit nice to each other. It's actually an amazing thing, being nicer to each other. It pays off, like a sensible stock market investment.
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« Reply #129 on: July 23, 2020, 02:40:57 PM »
Wearing a mask where I live is easy, as is distance. We don't have many people around here , we have one stop light in the whole county. Freedom is, MY CHOICE, to wear a mask , that is ok. Some politico at the .GOV telling me to, is not ok, unless it is passed as a law and can be challenged. Yes our mid level bureaucrat"s are a problem. VA for example, the mid level people are the drag that slows down the system, it is easy to say no. That is one of the reasons that the SWAMP of DC. ,hates the current white house, as they are slowly losing the power that once, they held.   But then again I"m a get"n senile. so what the heck do I know. Happy days are around the corner as are the Chinese cold war efforts, hope not hot . Still we have 8 people here test pos. for it , 2 Amish 6 regular folk. One died , but he was in his 80s and had sugar and a bad heart. So 7 still kick'n and getting better.

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« Reply #130 on: July 23, 2020, 02:50:01 PM »
Wearing a mask where I live is easy, as is distance. We don't have many people around here , we have one stop light in the whole county. Freedom is, MY CHOICE, to wear a mask , that is ok. Some politico at the .GOV telling me to, is not ok, unless it is passed as a law and can be challenged. Yes our mid level bureaucrat"s are a problem. VA for example, the mid level people are the drag that slows down the system, it is easy to say no. That is one of the reasons that the SWAMP of DC. ,hates the current white house, as they are slowly losing the power that once, they held.   But then again I"m a get"n senile. so what the heck do I know. Happy days are around the corner as are the Chinese cold war efforts, hope not hot . Still we have 8 people here test pos. for it , 2 Amish 6 regular folk. One died , but he was in his 80s and had sugar and a bad heart. So 7 still kick'n and getting better.

The problem is if you are an asymptomatic carrier of Covid19 and you exercise your so called freedom to NOT wear a mask, then if you go to church, or the store, or the gas station, or your local bar, or the feed store, or the lumber store, etc then you are spreading your disease to everyone. It really boils down to having common decency to keep yourself safe while keeping others safe. If you don't get tested on a regular basis then you really don't have any idea if you are a carrier or not. Does this make sense? Just wear your mask people. If you can muster the courage to put your pants on when going out in public, then you can easily put your mask on. You sure as hell won't die from wearing the mask.

I really don't get the selfishness of people who won't wear a mask, and continually try to find some conspiracy theory of why they shouldn't, or how masks don't do a thing.  I think it's getting time to close this thread, as we just keep going around in circles.
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« Reply #131 on: July 23, 2020, 03:32:16 PM »
Can we at least agree it came from China?

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« Reply #132 on: July 23, 2020, 03:39:19 PM »
Can we at least agree it came from China?
Pending any rather startling new information, sure, of course it came from China. And? Does something coming from China equate with anti-American political manipulations? If so... well, it might be time to close down Walmart, Target, and maybe 1,000 other retailers whose primary stock of goods for sale originate in Chinese factories.
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« Reply #133 on: July 23, 2020, 03:52:17 PM »
Yes I agree let's go back to japan, optics were better.

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« Reply #134 on: July 23, 2020, 05:44:53 PM »
Yep, I agree it came from China.... It may have even been studied in a lab and escaped by accident, though I think that unlikely....

Made (or modified) in a lab to destroy a lot of the world's population?.... Not a chance, IMO....

I agree, this thread has lived a useful life, but it's time to kill it....

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