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« Reply #105 on: July 15, 2020, 11:34:55 AM »


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/07/14/michigan-mask-confrontation-man-shot-killed-police-after-stabbing/5436217002/

That body cam picture shows the suspect charging the arresting officer with a knife, right before the officer shot him..
Wow. That's a surreal series of videos. How the heck does a guy who is capable of earning a living and buying a home in a nice looking suburban neighbourhood flip out over an elderly man suggesting he wear a mask and stab him? That just seems too bizarre. Sometimes I'm just left scratching my head about the way some people's minds work.
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« Reply #106 on: July 15, 2020, 12:18:31 PM »
I wonder if the dept . took away his pepper gas/night stick/baton (steel one each)/taser etc so all he has left is his side arm. Not saying the perp didn't have it coming just wonder why he got so dang close. Where was this?.

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« Reply #107 on: July 15, 2020, 12:29:39 PM »
It said Michigan. And the female officer seems to have outright missed him with at least 2 of her initial fusillade of shots. Since initially replying here I've downloaded a copy of the video and watched it twice at 25% speed, and it seems the first and second shots missed low-and-left, the third struck him shallowly in the upper right side of his chest, and the fourth shot possibly hit him in the groin area. Seemed he was completely unaffected by most of her shots, and the angles I was seeing on the pistol looked consistent with very poor marksmanship. The last couple of shots seem to have found their mark.

This is something I see fairly consistently in police body cam footage. Even allowing for the distorted angle from camera to gun, it's obvious that only rarely does an officer actually have their pistol upright. Skewing 'gangster style' with the slide tilted to the left is the most common error. This officer tilted between 5 and 15 degrees to the right instead, an odd sort of error. Seems likely her attention was more on the screwdrivers in his hands than on her front sight... and hey, can't really blame her, that would be a scary thing, happening fast. But plainly more range time would be of some benefit. Especially to potential innocent bystanders in the houses behind the attacker. Ricochets are a thing.
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« Reply #108 on: July 15, 2020, 12:57:24 PM »
I will look it up. I hope she did not come from the police academy I taught at. We expended 3000 round per student. But we had a lot of people mostly females that could not hit a mcoles or a b27 target at 4 yards. The 40 s&w scared em. They are now going back to 9 mm. Even the guys would whine , I can't hit the target because you made me shoot from the grass and it is uneven. I am so glad I retired. Don't even talk about 12 ga shotgun, I always wore body armor on the range.

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« Reply #109 on: July 15, 2020, 01:01:24 PM »
I forgot , we had to swap to low recoil slugs/ buck and the lowest load we could get for the pistols and they still could not hit the target, Not all, but enough to make you cringe. Now with a covid mask , all bets are off. Yes she was fully with"en her rights as I watch the video, wonder why she missed, counted 10 shots. Missed him most shots, wonder were  those shots went. Had to be the covid mask in her way,wait not sure she had one.. Nice houses around the scene.
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« Reply #110 on: July 22, 2020, 08:02:48 AM »
Here's some food for thought:

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Concerns arise as some receive positive COVID-19 results but never got tested
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WWSB Tampa logo Concerns arise as some receive positive COVID-19 results but never got tested

SARASOTA, Fla. (WWSB) - Coronavirus continues to spread quickly across the state. Plus, now, on the Suncoast, although testing has been made more available, many say there are some problems in really getting a handle on how much the virus is in our community.

Concerns Over COVID-19 Test Results © Provided by WWSB Tampa Concerns Over COVID-19 Test Results
It has nothing to do with being able to get tested, but instead the results. The quickest turnaround is about 48 hours, and the majority of the time, it can take about a week of finding out if you’re infected our not. However, the most recent issue is getting back results that aren’t even yours.

“I got a call asking for me, and they told me that I had tested positive. I was like, ‘Positive for what?” Then, the lady said for COVID, and I said, ‘That’s impossible. I never got tested, Ma’am,’” Mindy Clark said.

Clark had gone to the drive thru testing sight at Manatee Rural Health, but before she was able to get swabbed, she left the line because she realized it was for people with symptoms only.

“I told them they needed to take this off my record, and they said I had to prove it to them that I wasn’t positive,” Clark continued.

She tested negative just two days later, and also tested negative for the antibodies. Plus, according to many of our viewers, this hasn’t only happened to her.

Clark says if she and many others have been incorrectly identified as positive in the state’s system so easily, how accurate are the numbers that are released daily?
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« Reply #111 on: July 22, 2020, 09:32:54 AM »
The whole problem here is the politicization of Covid19.

1. it isn't a conspiracy.

2. it is a pandemic affecting most countries in the world

3. some countries handled covid19 much better than we have, and now have reopened their economies, and are getting back to normal.

4. people at the very top of our government have purposely sent out confusing and conflicting messages, and have not until recently even worn masks themselves. This is the conspiracy, designed to turn Americans against Americans. The one who complains about fake news spreads it more than any news organization.

5. the president has said that the more we test the more positive results we get, and that to lower the numbers we have to stop testing.  (idiotic message that makes me bonk head)

6. conspiracy nuts and dingbats are equating wearing masks with losing freedom. (bonk head) They stop wearing masks and social distancing and the numbers of sick and dying are increasing exponentially. Things will get MUCH worse before they get better.

7. the president wants to send kids back to school in the fall. Schools are Petri dishes, and I'm convinced that most colds and flu's are passed around at school and brought home. Now we have Covid19 which is highly contagious, and imagine how that will work out in the fall. Herd immunity? hahahahahaha.

8.Testing needs to increase, not decrease as the president desires, and the testing needs to get more reliable, become available to all citizens free of charge, and get results back within 24 hours. An effective federal government response would have happened months ago, but it is a political issue for many before being a humanitarian issue.

9. The extra unemployment benefits expire at the end of the month, along with protections against foreclosures, and evictions. Do we need to wonder what it will be like when 30 million unemployed Americans suddenly find themselves living on the streets? Think the economy is bad now? Just imagine the effect of 30 million people not being able to buy food, goods and services. The whole country is going to fall like dominoes and become a ghost town.

I am not at all optimistic. At this point we need smart people running things, and politicians need to butt out. Stupid people who don't believe in science should just butt out also.

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« Reply #112 on: July 22, 2020, 09:46:52 AM »
I am not at all optimistic. At this point we need smart people running things, and politicians need to butt out. Stupid people who don't believe in science should just butt out also.

Similar feeling for me. Loads of evidence piling up indicating we're basically along for the ride, the lowest common denominator making decisions for the rest of us. Our political leadership in Canada is finally being exposed for the deeply corrupt idiots they truly are... but it's unlikely that will result in a snap election, as most are too worried about the economy and their emergency benefits to risk a change. In the USA you may have a glimmer of hope of #Unity2020 can take off. Seems like momentum is growing, but that's a very hard thing to pull off, doing an end run around a massively corrupt pair of established parties:
https://www.articlesofunity.com/
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« Reply #113 on: July 22, 2020, 10:14:45 AM »
One thing to keep in mind. Those folks who are dying from (the various) Covid infections, have compromised immune systems. Asthmatics, COPD sufferers, undetected cancers, liver diseases, etc., are just a few. And yes, this includes children, but for the most part, children are far less prone, than say someone 70+ years old, who has smoked most of their life. And, if that weren't enough, the above example, and many more like it, are skewing the numbers.

My comment? Vote down incumbency, don't reelect anyone!
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« Reply #114 on: July 22, 2020, 10:30:23 AM »
IMO, Alan; the root cause of the problem ISN'T the elected by and large, it's the incompetent Bureaucratic cesspool that has the power/control.  Look how hard POTUS has worked to correct and or "drain the swamp" with seemingly little success.  When the AMA went political decades ago, that's when everything medical went sideways.  CDC and NIH are in the mix as well.  It's amazing anyone survives, except for the fabulous life form/system GOD built.
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« Reply #115 on: July 22, 2020, 11:02:51 AM »
IMO, Alan; the root cause of the problem ISN'T the elected by and large, it's the incompetent Bureaucratic cesspool that has the power/control.  Look how hard POTUS has worked to correct and or "drain the swamp" with seemingly little success.  When the AMA went political decades ago, that's when everything medical went sideways.  CDC and NIH are in the mix as well.  It's amazing anyone survives, except for the fabulous life form/system GOD built.

Ummmm, I humbly disagree. "It is not the  incompetent Bureaucratic cesspool" staffed by professionals and scientists. Rather it is the newly appointed political lackeys who have not the qualifications and throwing a monkey wrench into the works and siphoning off tax payer money into the coffers of the rich and connected.

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« Reply #116 on: July 22, 2020, 03:28:02 PM »
And I disagree too. If we want to be honest, look at the situation with Pansy Nolosy. She has been vocal to the max about wanting to see Trump's tax returns. So why, I ask, has she refused to show us her's? Same damn reason.
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« Reply #117 on: July 22, 2020, 04:44:23 PM »
IMO, Alan; the root cause of the problem ISN'T the elected by and large, it's the incompetent Bureaucratic cesspool that has the power/control.  Look how hard POTUS has worked to correct and or "drain the swamp" with seemingly little success.  When the AMA went political decades ago, that's when everything medical went sideways.  CDC and NIH are in the mix as well.  It's amazing anyone survives, except for the fabulous life form/system GOD built.

Ummmm, I humbly disagree. "It is not the  incompetent Bureaucratic cesspool" staffed by professionals and scientists. Rather it is the newly appointed political lackeys who have not the qualifications and throwing a monkey wrench into the works and siphoning off tax payer money into the coffers of the rich and connected.

I don't think for a minute you actually mean that you're humble.  That said, I think we might be talking about the same vermin. In my humble opinion, the underlined and highlighted above is the definition of Bureaucracy.
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« Reply #118 on: July 22, 2020, 06:54:00 PM »
So nobody will "bonk their head", here's some actual medical research info concerning Masks.

  The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons:

Conclusion: Wearing masks will not reduce SARS-CoV-2. N95 masks protect health care workers, but are not recommended for source control transmission.
Surgical masks are better than cloth but not very efficient at preventing emissions from infected patients.
Cloth masks will be ineffective at preventing SARS-CoV-2 transmission, whether worn as source control or as personal protective equipment (PPE).
Known patients infected with SARS-CoV-2 wore masks and coughed into a Petrie dish. “Both surgical and cotton masks seem to be ineffective in preventing the dissemination of SARS–CoV-2 from the coughs of patients with COVID-19 to the environment and external mask surface.”
Medical masks offered no protection at all from influenza.
The wide use of masks by healthy people in the community setting is not supported by current evidence and carries uncertainties and critical risks.
If you are sick, stay home!
Mask Facts - AAPS | Association of American Physicians and Surgeons
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« Reply #119 on: July 22, 2020, 09:32:31 PM »
I checked out your reference, and being somewhat surprised by what I read, decided to check into the source, the AAPS.... Here is one quote of many I found about them....

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Though AAPS often takes positions that are associated with conservative groups, it sometimes goes even further, pushing fringe views that most mainstream conservatives do not endorse, such as the belief that mandatory vaccination is “equivalent to human experimentation” and that Medicare is “evil.”

It therefore, to me, seems to be a fringe group, rather than a reliable source.... so I'll stick to my understanding that masks, even non-medical masks worn properly, reduce the transmission of COVID-19 by a factor of SIX.... Many of the WHO statements quoted by the AAPS about wearing masks dated to early in the pandemic, when protecting PPE supplies for healthcare workers was of paramount importance.... Of particular interest were the statements by the WHO (not quoted by the AAPS) about surgical masks (which are loose fitting, and not as good as an N95 respirator), which are critically important in preventing the spread of droplets from doctors and nurses to the patient.... Gee, to me that seems just like what we are hearing about masks for COVID-19.... they do little to protect the wearer, but they do a great job of protecting OTHERS....

If you don't care about anybody but yourself, then not wearing a mask makes total sense, since it does little to help you from being infected.... Of course that asymptomatic person who just infected you because THEY weren't wearing one has the same rights you do....  ::)

The rights of the individual end where their actions affect the health and welfare of others.... PERIOD.... Common examples would be second hand cigarette smoke, or driving drunk....  :o

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