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« Reply #90 on: July 12, 2020, 08:14:46 PM »
Just a tid bit of news from a county with 373 square miles and about 6-8400 people (depends on time of year) we have about 8 people with the covid and 2 of them are Amish.  One Dead with covid complications. Go figure. My wife and I wear masks when around other people. Good thing around here is it is hard to get 6 people in one place at one time.
I do hope your .gov medical is better then my VA health care. My family is from over/up  there some moved to the US in the early 1900s.  Some of my extended family still over  there, do not care for the gun laws or the medical. But to each there own.  I pray for all people to get over this. Except maybe the Chinese army and the lab that made it.
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« Reply #91 on: July 13, 2020, 01:27:17 AM »
 Noticed " freedumb/ freedum" used a few times. I didnt insult anybody here. Seem to me some folks think anybody who doesnt think what they think is inferior to them. Anybody heard stories of maskers pulling guns on nonmaskers? Thats a good way to be positive of never catching covid or anything else ever , Thats really dumb in my dumb opinion. Marksmanship > marxism.thx for all the good airgun info folks :)
i've done a lot of stupid things in my life , but i'm probably not quite finished :)

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« Reply #92 on: July 13, 2020, 01:55:28 AM »
Problem is, wearing a mask and not wearing a mask when dealing with other people in close proximity are not equal. Not even remotely. It's not like choosing between Pepsi and Coke. Not even like picking one or the other of the two idiots running for the next election. If you wear a mask, you are potentially saving 3 or more lives, given the current best estimate for R0 value of COVID-19 spread. If you don't wear one, and the same infectiousness rate applies, you may be infecting 3 or more people. If the risk from COVID-19 is overblown and you wear a mask, no real harm done. If it's overblown and you don't, again, no real harm done.

Those are the 4 possibilities being assessed. Considering the current official body count of 571,812, the now accepted fact of true aerosol spread, and the likelihood that were still at the tail end of the first wave in much of the world but not even at the peak of the first wave for more than half the world's population... And that the range of estimated deaths within 2 years from this disease is 47million at the low end and 350million at the upper end... doesn't it seem like a good idea to err on the side of caution? What would that hurt? Your ears? Switch to elastic going behind your head then. Your pride? Grow up and learn what taking responsibility means. The governments don't care either way. They're clinging to power, saying and doing whatever it takes to retain power. It's up to individual people to prevent more deaths than are necessary.
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« Reply #93 on: July 13, 2020, 04:28:16 AM »
I want to know why, Vietnam and several other SE countries haven't has a single death? What are they doing differently? Do they know shooting we don't? And no one mandates wearing a mask in Vietnam. are makes me wonder.
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« Reply #94 on: July 13, 2020, 06:21:00 AM »
I want to know why, Vietnam and several other SE countries haven't has a single death? What are they doing differently? Do they know shooting we don't? And no one mandates wearing a mask in Vietnam. are makes me wonder.

Probably all that Agent Orange.
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« Reply #95 on: July 13, 2020, 07:06:07 AM »
I want to know why, Vietnam and several other SE countries haven't has a single death? What are they doing differently? Do they know shooting we don't? And no one mandates wearing a mask in Vietnam. are makes me wonder.

Probably all that Agent Orange.

LOL I guess it has helped me so far.

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« Reply #96 on: July 13, 2020, 07:20:40 AM »
Think back to RVN Vietnam, Lambrettas with 20 people hanging on , trains with people packed like cows. I don't recall one arvn I worked with ever wash their hands, i'm sure they but I never witnessed it. Then again I guess I did not either except back at the compound in Hue. Maybe they just are not reporting it. And the menu!, you would think the stuff they eat would carry a virus.

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« Reply #97 on: July 13, 2020, 08:47:58 AM »
First off, thank you both for your service.  I was Navy 1965 ~ 69. Closest I got to Vietnam was a 2 year stint on Guam (where America's day begins) as a 8483 (Hospital Corpsman Operating Room Tech).  Second; more likely than not Virus, but beaucoup bacteria.  I recall we operated on a NVA for Gallbladder and he was TOTALLY full of intestinal Flukes. Gross!
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« Reply #98 on: July 15, 2020, 08:51:26 AM »
Kinda hard to know what to think about CV19 statistics.  In Florida some testing centers (according to some reporting sites) showed several Testing Centers reporting 100% positive.  Statistically that's impossible.  So someone(s) within the state are not playing by the rules.
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Re: Corona Virus any change to your day to day yet?
« Reply #99 on: July 15, 2020, 09:14:16 AM »
If there are so many people with symptoms who are rushing to get tested, and there are testing centers designated for only those with symptoms (which there definitely are in some areas), it is not only possible, but likely.... Why does everything have to devolve to a conspiracy theory for some?....

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« Reply #100 on: July 15, 2020, 09:41:14 AM »
Who said anything about a conspiracy theory?  Facts are Facts. The Left in this country are 110% dedicated to winning in November.  That said, they ARE using any means necessary to achieve their goal. They've already been caught falsifying mail in ballots. 
The info I provided above is FACTUAL not a conspiracy.  Why is it that SOME choose to ignore ANY information that doesn't conform to their "theories"?
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« Reply #101 on: July 15, 2020, 09:42:55 AM »
The tests have an accuracy ratio which results in both false positive and false negative results. About the best report on this issue is here: (https://www.cochrane.org/news/new-cochrane-review-assesses-how-accurate-antibody-tests-are-detecting-covid-19).

I agree with the good Captain in this case, but with some revelations. One of those reservations is a political-biased one, as has already been reported on every major media outlet.

I should also point out, that just because a family member comes down with the disease, doesn't mean other family members will or won't, the use of masks notwithstanding. While population and/or family density plays a part, that fact isn't the holy grail of infectious conformity. Rather it is how healthy and/or susceptible your are to the strain in question. And, answering that question is statistically impossible to predict.

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« Reply #102 on: July 15, 2020, 09:54:32 AM »
Well it is kinda like this, The USA has allowed people to act out not peaceable , but in way that is unlawful. I won't get into the party system , lets just say a small radical portion of our pop. Not unlike when your tribel troubles along the border happened years ago or when a portion of the french pop there acted up. So what we have is a small allowed insurection going on. Mostly in certin controled cities. Not so much in suburbs or country side. A for instance people with a certin mind set are allowed to keep jobs they should not have simply because they are given preferance. EXP: A nurse/staff of our VA hospital system who has worked there many years and has been reprimanded several times , but not canned! just confessed to killing 1 patient because she thought they should not be alive anymore. Now if she would have been canned the first complaint instead of , OH no we can't fire her because it will upset a portion of or a group of special people. So 7 more passed on under her care until they caught her giving them a overdose of insulin. She has now confessed to at least 1 murder and looking at 7 more. Our system has morphed into a bad place. Now all country's go thru this stuff at some time. So it is a balance act and I hope we come out as well as you all up there. Say a prayer for the troubles of the world , it is most like not over yet.
Covid might be the start, and just because you think someone is trying to kill you, you might be crazy OR they might be trying too.
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« Reply #103 on: July 15, 2020, 10:59:30 AM »
As regards large gatherings, whether protests or outdoor political rallies, it seems our understanding of the dynamics is trending towards vitamin D production due to sun exposure of the skin, and the virus-destructive effects of UV radiation, enhanced by significant percentages wearing masks, all seem to minimize transmission of the virus. I was quite concerned about the BLM-supportive protests at the beginning of June in Vancouver, with over 10,000 people in attendance and many packed quite close. But watching the video of the protests it seems the majority wore some sort of mask, preventing the bulk of liquid/aerosol spread, and the numbers reported by our health authorities 6 weeks later seem to confirm that this was not actually a significantly risky activity. Good weather, lots of sun, and people largely behaving with caution.

Contrastingly, Florida's spring break behaviour which had hundreds of thousands grinding against each other in nightclubs and on beaches made it fairly obvious why the outcomes in Florida have turned out a bit worse. Well that's understatement really. BC's COVID-19 count is among the lowest on the continent, as we've been, in general (with some obvious exceptions) been observing basic precautions.

As for individual susceptibility; the increasing reports of children and young adults in otherwise excellent health becoming severely ill, developing what seems like permanent organ damage, and a non-trivial number of these kids dying of COVID-19, all seem to indicate that the cavalier attitude being expressed over the risk should cease. Even the top staff at the White House are wearing masks now in many situations. It's become that obvious. Eating crow seems the be on the menu for a lot of deniers, though even while talking through masks they're reluctant to admit it. And there are very significant economic and political motivations for such states of denial.

'Winning' is the order of the day. Who wants to be perceived as 'losing' to a virus? In a world increasingly dominated by popularity contests, more and more being organized like some silly TV reality show, bravado seems the obvious route. Especially for those catering to the amendment-quoting right wing among voters. 'Freedom' and 'liberty' and 'New World Order' conspiracy stuff are all on the table with this impending election. Just as 'Social Justice' dominated our last election in Canada, resulting in a second term (though with 33% of the popular vote, Trudeau seems to me scarcely in a position to think he has a mandate, and is behaving as though he had a majority ONLY thanks of the pandemic which is giving him cover) for a widely despised Liberal party.

Strange times. Bit of a coin toss as to what happens next in almost any area of large scale social and economic functionality. We could be headed for a continent-wide civil/race war. Or things could settle down and we could recover perhaps as much as 75% of normal economic function, though I doubt it'll be any better than that for the next few years. My son just profited by $1057 on an ounce of gold he bought 5 years ago, thanks entirely to the pandemic and the resulting failures of leadership, so there's a silver (or gold) lining anyway. He's got a stash of silver too, and we're considering whether to buy more of that with his gains or risk holding on to cash when hyper-inflation could be just around the corner. Of course if he's not around to spend it, no one investment will mean much, so we wear masks when out among others and use a lot of hand sanitizer, and don't have guests into the house. For my part I'm putting spare cash into ammunition and firearms. In a pinch these can also be used as trade goods or simple re-sold sometime when things turn around, so no loss there even if I don't shoot the stuff.

But seriously, I'm at a loss every single day looking at all the ranting and raving from people being compelled to wear masks. It's a mystery. It's like you're being asked to hop around on one foot or something, perhaps being told not to eat meat - you'd think there was actual suffering involved.
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« Reply #104 on: July 15, 2020, 11:23:53 AM »


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/07/14/michigan-mask-confrontation-man-shot-killed-police-after-stabbing/5436217002/

That body cam picture shows the suspect charging the arresting officer with a knife, right before the officer shot him..
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