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Re: Corona Virus any change to your day to day yet?
« Reply #75 on: July 12, 2020, 11:35:13 AM »
You must be a Lawyer Steve since you've asked a question that you already know the answer.  So I'll ask you:  is a Quarter the same amount as 5 nickles?  IMO, that question makes as much sense as your question.
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Re: Corona Virus any change to your day to day yet?
« Reply #76 on: July 12, 2020, 11:37:37 AM »
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Interesting video by an informed Physician concerning the Political manipulation of statistical data.

This particular Doctor / Senator is under investigation for spreading disinformation.

https://www.minnpost.com/glean/2020/07/minnesota-state-senator-says-he-is-being-investigation-by-board-of-medical-practice-over-covid-19-comments/

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Re: Corona Virus any change to your day to day yet?
« Reply #77 on: July 12, 2020, 11:41:16 AM »
Thank you for making my point:   "Soon society will be more bifurcated than ever along a number of dimensions, skin colour, mask/no mask, wealth status, religious affiliation, education level... and all in service of what, exactly?".   NWO!!!   BTW,  isn't Canada a Socialist leaning society?
I didn't bother mentioning that I fully expected you to come back with a snide comment such as this, figuring it was too obvious in my closing sentence "We're doomed." And we are. Because people like you, pretending that doing the opposite of whatever the authorities say is an expression of personal freedom or 'rights,' will doom us to tens or even hundreds of millions dead of COVID-19 instead of hundreds of thousands. What passes for thinking in the majority of any population is sadly an illusion. Most simply go along with whatever seems most fun or popular. Hence the trend in 'democratic' elections, picking the candidate who seems most likely to win, as who wants to be on the losing side? Actual independent thinking has long-since been removed from our education system. Ironically, by socialists. Think on that puzzle for a minute, then tell me why wearing a mask to defeat government and corporate surveillance systems is a curtailment of your freedom. I'll wait.
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Re: Corona Virus any change to your day to day yet?
« Reply #78 on: July 12, 2020, 12:14:58 PM »
Gentlemen! You're free to express your opinions here, but do not get personal!
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Re: Corona Virus any change to your day to day yet?
« Reply #79 on: July 12, 2020, 01:19:09 PM »
Thank you for making my point:   "Soon society will be more bifurcated than ever along a number of dimensions, skin colour, mask/no mask, wealth status, religious affiliation, education level... and all in service of what, exactly?".   NWO!!!   BTW,  isn't Canada a Socialist leaning society?
I didn't bother mentioning that I fully expected you to come back with a snide comment such as this, figuring it was too obvious in my closing sentence "We're doomed." And we are. Because people like you, pretending that doing the opposite of whatever the authorities say is an expression of personal freedom or 'rights,' will doom us to tens or even hundreds of millions dead of COVID-19 instead of hundreds of thousands. What passes for thinking in the majority of any population is sadly an illusion. Most simply go along with whatever seems most fun or popular. Hence the trend in 'democratic' elections, picking the candidate who seems most likely to win, as who wants to be on the losing side? Actual independent thinking has long-since been removed from our education system. Ironically, by socialists. Think on that puzzle for a minute, then tell me why wearing a mask to defeat government and corporate surveillance systems is a curtailment of your freedom. I'll wait.

Nothing snide about my remarks, certainly not towards you.  I've presented factual info and you've been less than receptive to that, THE FACTS.  I worked in the healthcare field for over 40 years, and this Virus will be with us for centuries to come, with or without mask wearing compliance.  Also, the "annual Flu bug" is just about on us and it KILLS at a pace far exceeding CV 19, and that's with all the shots and medicines by the Millions of dollars thrown at it.  CV 19 is a man made manipulation designed to primarily dissable rather than kill.  The Chicom's need to pay dearly for this piece of global warfare.  BTW, you didn't answer my question about Canada's political leanings.
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Re: Corona Virus any change to your day to day yet?
« Reply #80 on: July 12, 2020, 01:21:11 PM »
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Interesting video by an informed Physician concerning the Political manipulation of statistical data.

This particular Doctor / Senator is under investigation for spreading disinformation.

https://www.minnpost.com/glean/2020/07/minnesota-state-senator-says-he-is-being-investigation-by-board-of-medical-practice-over-covid-19-comments/

If you'd listened any of this Dr's. message, he is expressly stating WHY he's being investigated.  He WILL be found not guilty; bet ya.
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Re: Corona Virus any change to your day to day yet?
« Reply #81 on: July 12, 2020, 01:36:12 PM »
If I misapprehended your tone, my apologies. Finishing with the Trump team's line about Canada being socialist just seems an awful lot like snideness... but perhaps from an American-media-saturated perspective that seems to you a legitimate thing to say? So allowing that it may be asked in good faith, I'll answer. If 'socialist' to you means something like what is happening in China, then no, not remotely. If you mean something like what existed before the failure of the United Soviet Socialist Republics, then again, no, not by a country mile. If you mean socialist as in the current or previous governments and social organization of the country of Venezuela, not even remotely.

But if you mean socialist in the sense that France is a socialist country... well, perhaps leaning a bit that way, but we're still a long way off from that. If you mean the UK is a socialist country, then perhaps we're a bit closer, but still nowhere nearly so oppressively socialist as they are there - we can still own pistols, though we're only allowed to shoot them at a range. There's a trend in the current government to squash most firearms ownership but there's also a strong legal challenge, and considering the current investigation into Trudeau and his family and his Liberal cabinet for numerous counts of fundamentally capitalist corruption scandals... I don't think the new Order in Council banning over 9,700 models of rifle is going to stand very long, certainly not the full 2 years before these models are actually confiscated.

Trump cronies have been very, very active, spending many millions of dollars on propaganda to make the word 'socialist' stick to Canada, especially around our medical plan. It was recently confessed by one member of that propaganda group that the campaign has been going on for decades, primarily paid for my medical insurers with a vested interest in maintaining the current USA model which hosts over 3,000 separate companies who sell insurance for various medical coverage. In Canada one can get for-profit medical care if you have the money, but it's basically free or nearly free for anyone who needs surgery, cancer treatment, whatever. In BC, where I live, we still pay medical insurance premiums, which is something the current 'socialist' government here is trying to dismantle. It's an exception brought in by a right-wing government long ago and something which has made access ever so slightly more challenging for a tiny percentage of people in BC, but really not all that bad. There is a national movement to add comprehensive dental care to the medical coverage model and it's gaining traction, with resistance from dentists of course, who profit from a basically unregulated private business model with little oversight. There are a lot of other things we could go into, but I think this covers one of the more important areas - healthcare is seen here as a fundamental human right. Is that socialist? Or is that humanitarian? And the privatized medical system in the USA, which by definition excludes tens of millions of the most needy people from care, is that capitalist? Or is that anti-humanitarian and cruel?
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Re: Corona Virus any change to your day to day yet?
« Reply #82 on: July 12, 2020, 02:17:43 PM »
Exceptio probat regulam in casibus non exceptis! The exception confirms the rule in cases not excepted.
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Re: Corona Virus any change to your day to day yet?
« Reply #83 on: July 12, 2020, 02:33:11 PM »
FREEDUMB!.... I like that....  ::)

Canada bounces back and forth around the center of the political spectrum.... We are currently leaning a bit to the left, even though that is not my personal view.... I think we have a good balance.... I would not give up our medical system for a user pay one, not ever!....

It saddens me to see how little many people care about anyone but themselves, and this is not limited to the USA.... Kelowna, the nearest City to where I live has abandoned masks for the most part, and are now suffering a significant outbreak.... Yeah, about 8 people at last count, which is significant, because the whole Interior of BC (about the area of Arizona) had no new cases for nearly a month....

Canada has 1/9th of the population of the USA, and have 1/32 of the number of cases.... Here in BC, with a population approaching 5 million, we have about 3,000 cases and 187 deaths.... I look at Florida, Texas, Arizona, California, even Washington state, and I just cringe.... If we had a similar death rate to the USA here in BC, we should have over 2000 dead, instead of less than 200.... It makes me soooooooooooo glad I am not an American, because you are behaving like a 3rd world country, instead of the world leader you claim to be.... It truly saddens me.... :(

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Re: Corona Virus any change to your day to day yet?
« Reply #84 on: July 12, 2020, 06:01:21 PM »
When all the dust settles and the "bean counters" tabulate ACTUAL deaths due to CV19, the rate WILL be less than .1%.  Right now everyone is tagging a hospital death as a covid death whether a test was run to determine the presence of the Virus or not.  Several ways to S.W.A.G. the stats my friend.  I have nothing bad to say about Canadians either, I just wouldn't want to be one.
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« Reply #85 on: July 12, 2020, 06:21:16 PM »
BTW, just so you don't think I am criticizing only the US.... over the last 2 days I have written Global TV BC regarding the shameful lack of mask use in Kelowna.... and also the local Princeton newspaper, a Letter to the Editor with the title "What Are You All Thinking?".... There is more than enough blame to go around, IMO.... I fully expect a rebound in cases here in BC.... particularly once School reopens in September....  ::)

Here in BC they are not counting every death in hospital as COVID related, every suspected case must test positive before being included in either the case count, hospitalization, or death toll.... Our contact tracing, fortunately, is extremely good, 75% of contacts are found and informed they have been exposed within 48 hours, and over 90% within 72 hours.... Our small case count helps, of course, you can't do that when you have 60,000+ positive tests per day.... We are doing enough tests that our positivity rate in BC is similar to the current New York rate, at around 1%....

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Re: Corona Virus any change to your day to day yet?
« Reply #86 on: July 12, 2020, 06:25:45 PM »
When all the dust settles and the "bean counters" tabulate ACTUAL deaths due to CV19, the rate WILL be less than .1%.  Right now everyone is tagging a hospital death as a covid death whether a test was run to determine the presence of the Virus or not.  Several ways to S.W.A.G. the stats my friend.  I have nothing bad to say about Canadians either, I just wouldn't want to be one.

It's not just the deaths but the ongoing debilitating illness that some victims end up with. This is not the Flu. It is something entirely new, and the scientists are still figuring out how the virus ticks, why some folks have extreme reactions to it, and why some do not even show symptoms but carry and pass on the virus with deadly results.

The statistics are purposely being suppressed by some folks like the governor of Florida. Why, ask yourself is Covid19 being politicized? Why are the scientists alarmed, and so many politicians, apparently unconcerned and willing to sacrifice a certain amount of the population? Are you willing to sacrifice yourself, or friends or family?

Again, I say the United States government lead by the man in the oval office and supported by his party, have demonstrably had the poorest response to the virus than any other leading nation in the world.  We have become a 3rd world country under the current regime. Just look at our response, the number of dead, and diseased, and the total collapse of the economy. If we have another four years of the current yahoo in chief, we are seriously screwed. Why anyone would want to follow in his footsteps is insane. What a friggen mess.
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Re: Corona Virus any change to your day to day yet?
« Reply #87 on: July 12, 2020, 06:30:39 PM »
BTW, just so you don't think I am criticizing only the US.... over the last 2 days I have written Global TV BC regarding the shameful lack of mask use in Kelowna.... and also the local Princeton newspaper, a Letter to the Editor with the title "What Are You All Thinking?".... There is more than enough blame to go around, IMO.... I fully expect a rebound in cases here in BC.... particularly once School reopens in September....  ::)

Here in BC they are not counting every death in hospital as COVID related, every suspected case must test positive before being included in either the case count, hospitalization, or death toll.... Our contact tracing, fortunately, is extremely good, 75% of contacts are found and informed they have been exposed within 48 hours, and over 90% within 72 hours.... Our small case count helps, of course, you can't do that when you have 60,000+ positive tests per day.... We are doing enough tests that our positivity rate in BC is similar to the current New York rate, at around 1%....

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I have no issues with your criticism. We have some pretty significant issues, and if we don't get our shit together soon, we are doomed. A month ago I was in a Home Depot. Half of the people and workers wore masks. A Vallejo City Council mandate that everyone wear masks in public changed that. I'd say 95% or more folks wore their masks on my next visit. Vallejo was hit hard by Covid, and folks paid attention. My message to those not wearing masks is to act like a citizen who cares about others and just wear your damn mask.
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« Reply #88 on: July 12, 2020, 06:44:11 PM »
Gets a bit tricky when asking someone to put on a mask can get you shot in the face, as has happened at least a couple of times in the US so far. And the amazingly funny and horrifying videos of people having emotional meltdowns over being asked to wear masks in stores just keep being shared, like it's the new national sport. And then there are the racist tirades. As if some asian family having dinner at a nice place in California is responsible for the Wuhan flu! (That CEO is likely watching helplessly as his company goes bankrupt, so his workers suffer, not just his racist idiot self.)

But sure, if you feel it's safe, ask people to wear masks. For myself, I'll bite my tongue. There are loads of people not wearing masks here in Vancouver. Overall I'd say it's just over half. Inside stores, on crowded sidewalks, pretty much anywhere. In a restaurant, I get it, you can't eat while wearing a mask, and if the place has established double spacing and other rules to keep it safer that's probably fine. But in grocery store aisles things can get very crowded, very quickly, and when someone coughs it's kind of a bad thing to be trapped within a few feet of them considering it could just be the beginning of the end for you. I'll keep the mask, thanks.
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Re: Corona Virus any change to your day to day yet?
« Reply #89 on: July 12, 2020, 07:14:28 PM »

Does wearing a mask and practicing social distancing, washing your hands, and avoiding crowds means you will not catch Covid-19?

Who knows, but not wearing one and acting like there is no pandemic issue going on will put you into a risk of possibly being exposed that could have been avoided, by a few simple changes in social behavior.

People that are trying to make a medical decision into a political issue, or believing there to be some sort of conspiracy, or controlling actions I just don't understand.

I was against using a mask, but then noticed that everywhere I go now is being cleaned frequently and the chemicals being used were actually irritating my throat, so I started wearing one and noticed I wasn't tasting chemicals anymore, and that is a good thing if you ask me.

Most places I go all have someone at the door turning people around for not wearing masks, and most cashiers are not ringing people up if they do not have their face covered.

I just do not see what the big deal is anymore, now that I am used to wearing.  Doesn't make me any less of a man for just simply trying to do something instead of doing nothing.
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