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Re: Corona Virus any change to your day to day yet?
« Reply #60 on: July 12, 2020, 08:43:56 AM »
58 years old now and still dont own a mask. our misguided kentucky governor thinks he has authority to make us wear one, has already been stopped by american politicians in our state. dang my daystate sure does work great, life is good :), i hope everyone here is healthy happy and free, and enjoying their chosen airguns !

Well, the trend is more cases of Covid-19 in Kentucky. Why is that? Did Kentucky open up bars, restaurants, churches, and other businesses with folks sharing space and air? Know anyone who got the virus?

I wear a mask when I go out in public, and I avoid crowds, and confined spaces. It’s a small thing to put on a mask, and reduce the chance that I get infected or possibly get others infected.

Last time I had surgery to get cancer cut out of my tonsil, my doc, nurses and anesthesiologist all wore masks.

My Dentist and dental hygienists all wear masks when scraping my teeth and filling a cavity.

Seems pretty simple and easy. I have asthma and hate the damn masks but I’ve tested oxygen levels in my blood before, during and after wearing a mask and there is no difference. How effective is mask wearing, social distancing and banning large gatherings in confined spaces? Well, look to other countries that have done a much better job of containing Covid-19, such as Japan, New Zealand etc. it apparently takes a combined effort, and folks in other parts of the world see containment of a deadly disease as being freedom. In our case a fixation on personal freedom over common sense and desire to protect others from a deadly disease has evolved into freedumb.

Wear your mask, wash your hands and social distance, and maybe our numbers of Covid19 will go down and stay down.

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Re: Corona Virus any change to your day to day yet?
« Reply #61 on: July 12, 2020, 08:46:16 AM »
I find this really sad.... Yes, you are 100% correct, nobody can force you to wear a mask.... However, deciding not to do so is exactly the same as running a red light because it is your right to decide whether to stop or not.... After all, it's your life, right?.... Pity about those who trust others to do the right thing, and obey an "arbitrary" law.... It is my understanding that personal rights stop where they affect the rights and freedoms of others, but maybe that is just when convenient....  ???

The consequences of not wearing a mask are obvious, and not doing so shows an utter disrespect for the lives, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness of the rest of the human race.... I sincerely hope that regardless of your "rights", you always do the "right" thing to protect your friends, family, and those of us you have never met....

Masks are NOT a political statement.... They are to help prevent a spread of a deadly disease where the case count in the USA has doubled in 3 weeks.... If you want to stop it from doing so again, PLEASE wear a mask....

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Re: Corona Virus any change to your day to day yet?
« Reply #62 on: July 12, 2020, 09:03:43 AM »
Not wanting to start an argument, but the wearing for a mask has two sides, as every coin has. Assuming you are exposed to the Wuhan virus, and it collects on your mask, every time you breath on or out, you help distribute a greater quantity of the virus to others, and yourself.

I can't speak for any state, but the edict here in New Mexico is that you must wear a mask any time you're in public. The local authorities are stopping people in their vehicles for not wearing one. In that case, they're in violation of Federal law (Third Amendment). It is even questionable if the edict from state authorities is legal? I can't say one way or the other, but that scenario was used by the Kentucky opponents to fight that state's edict.

No justification, but it seems there are more myths out there, than truths. One thing is for sure, there are those who need to be prosecuted for releasing this virus, which I suspect will never happen.
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Re: Corona Virus any change to your day to day yet?
« Reply #63 on: July 12, 2020, 09:09:43 AM »
Times two for Bob. A mask is not politics...it's common sense. Oh wait, our president doesn't wear a mask. Except of course for a photo op at Walter Reed. Since the person that Americans should be looking up to the most sets the worst example, what else would you expect? Shame on him.

Unfortunately just like anything else that self-serving politicians (blue or red) can grasp onto that will further their agenda, they will do so. With Covid policy as well. At times like this I'm embarrassed to be an American. Instead of leadership, we're waiting to see when the next childish tweet and insult will come from our esteemed leader. I expect better than that from a sixth grader.

Congratulations to our leaders for using a pandemic to further polarize a nation. This post can be deleted as being inflammatory; it's ok. However, part of my vow to be a better citizen is to speak up when a wrong is being committed and not let bullies run roughshod over others. Wearing a mask to PROTECT OTHERS shouldn't be a big deal. Grow up and at least pretend like you give two shits about someone else besides yourself.
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Re: Corona Virus any change to your day to day yet?
« Reply #64 on: July 12, 2020, 09:46:26 AM »
You do realize that this Virus HAS BEEN CLASSIFIED AS A AIRBORNE VIRUS, right?  If you are woke to that fact then you must realize that "social distancing" is only a concept, not a healthcare enhancement.  Masks, while fashionable aren't effective in social gatherings.  Being AIRBORNE, the Virus doesn't need spit to be the carrier.  If you're really concerned about protecting yourself and others, you should be wearing a respirator mask, AND a face shield.  Look at this as a political instrument, because it most definitely meets the smell test.
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« Reply #65 on: July 12, 2020, 09:59:17 AM »
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Interesting video by an informed Physician concerning the Political manipulation of statistical data.
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Re: Corona Virus any change to your day to day yet?
« Reply #66 on: July 12, 2020, 10:04:56 AM »
The president finally wore a mask for the first time in public yesterday when he visited Walter Reed saying it "was the right thing to do".
I am not sure either way, wear or not wear, but why taunt the dang virus just because it might help.  And just because can or don't have to.  We wear one every time we go some where when and if we do go.  It is just crazy to see the amount of people that don't seem to care.  I seriously believe that the biggest portion of the folks that cause this latest surge
were protesters, rioters, and folks that think they are invincible.

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Re: Corona Virus any change to your day to day yet?
« Reply #67 on: July 12, 2020, 10:12:09 AM »
The president finally wore a mask for the first time in public yesterday when he visited Walter Reed saying it "was the right thing to do".
I am not sure either way, wear or not wear, but why taunt the dang virus just because it might help.  And just because can or don't have to.  We wear one every time we go some where when and if we do go.  It is just crazy to see the amount of people that don't seem to care.  I seriously believe that the biggest portion of the folks that cause this latest surge
were protesters, rioters, and folks that think they are invincible.

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There is little evidence that protestors and rioters spread the virus. You only need to look at video from the countless protests nationwide to see protesters wearing masks. On the contrary it appears that partiers, and political gatherings where people do not social distance and do not wear masks, are where the covid numbers are going up.  Look at Florida...
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Re: Corona Virus any change to your day to day yet?
« Reply #68 on: July 12, 2020, 10:17:49 AM »
The latest test results I have seen is that a simple cloth masks decreases the spread of the virus by a factor of SIX.... In addition, "sneeze" tests show that droplets from a typical cough or sneeze without a mask can travel up to 8 feet.... A bandana cuts that to 3 feet, and a two layer cloth mask that fits well cuts that down to 2.5 INCHES....

There is "airborne', as in the virus itself can survive in the air, like Measles, or how big a droplet it needs to stay viable.... The latest data shows that it can exist in a smaller droplet than previously thought, and since smaller droplets can hang in the air longer.... ie walking down a hallway a few minutes after somebody with COVID coughed or sneezed there, is less safe.... However, the greatest risk (and you can't eliminate them all) is being in close proximity to another, indoors, without both parties wearing a mask, for a prolonged period of time....

Science or Politics?.... You want to sign up to experiment with YOUR life, go ahead.... but you do NOT have my permission to threaten MINE.... PERIOD....

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Re: Corona Virus any change to your day to day yet?
« Reply #69 on: July 12, 2020, 10:31:28 AM »
Again, well said Bob. I am in full agreement.

Why do people go through all these histrionics to justify NOT wearing a mask? It’s such a simple and easy thing to do. It is not a major inconvenience to wear a mask and improve all of our odds of staying safe.

This thing is not going away anytime soon.

Send my kids back to school? That’s utter bs, coming out of the President’s mouth. To send our kids back to school prematurely endangers us all.
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Re: Corona Virus any change to your day to day yet?
« Reply #70 on: July 12, 2020, 10:39:51 AM »
The latest test results I have seen is that a simple cloth masks decreases the spread of the virus by a factor of SIX.... In addition, "sneeze" tests show that droplets from a typical cough or sneeze without a mask can travel up to 8 feet.... A bandana cuts that to 3 feet, and a two layer cloth mask that fits well cuts that down to 2.5 INCHES....

There is "airborne', as in the virus itself can survive in the air, like Measles, or how big a droplet it needs to stay viable.... The latest data shows that it can exist in a smaller droplet than previously thought, and since smaller droplets can hang in the air longer.... ie walking down a hallway a few minutes after somebody with COVID coughed or sneezed there, is less safe.... However, the greatest risk (and you can't eliminate them all) is being in close proximity to another, indoors, without both parties wearing a mask, for a prolonged period of time....

Science or Politics?.... You want to sign up to experiment with YOUR life, go ahead.... but you do NOT have my permission to threaten MINE.... PERIOD....

Bob

I'd suggest you NOT come anywhere near me or mine.  You're likely a carrier and don't know it since you wear a spit trap on your face.
You obviously show no regard to differing opinions, even to the message from the Physician I cited above.  He even states that masks aren't effective.
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« Reply #71 on: July 12, 2020, 10:50:34 AM »
Go to about the 9 minute mark and listen to what this Physician has to say; if there's NO politicization on CV 19 ( just another virus) then you aren't objectively looking at the FACTUAL evidence.  It's obvious to me that the longer this "mandated" buffoonery continues that the actual fabric of this Nation will be irreparably torn apart, and that's exactly what the Socialists are trying to accomplish.  Fauci with his ties to China; China with it's control of WHO, and on and on. The term "lockstep" comes to mind.
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« Reply #72 on: July 12, 2020, 11:08:58 AM »
Go to about the 9 minute mark and listen to what this Physician has to say; if there's NO politicization on CV 19 ( just another virus) then you aren't objectively looking at the FACTUAL evidence.  It's obvious to me that the longer this "mandated" buffoonery continues that the actual fabric of this Nation will be irreparably torn apart, and that's exactly what the Socialists are trying to accomplish.  Fauci with his ties to China; China with it's control of WHO, and on and on. The term "lockstep" comes to mind.
Seems to me that the anti-maskers, same as in 1918 with San Francisco's powerful 'Anti Mask League', are the ones seeking attention and tearing society apart, much the way the rioters on Portland and other cities are trying to do every night for the past month and a half. Get attention. Claim to be standing for something. Seek some sort of 'returned fire' to gain even more attention, obviously bolstering support and bigger numbers. Soon society will be more bifurcated than ever along a number of dimensions, skin colour, mask/no mask, wealth status, religious affiliation, education level... and all in service of what, exactly? Who benefits from wearing a mask? The government? Is big government in the cloth selling business now? Oh, but it's all about 'compliance' right?

Well think about that. If compliance was really the goal where masks are concerned, wouldn't government with their millions of cameras and software gathering information on populations mandate that masks CAN NOT BE WORN IN PUBLIC PLACES to aid their goal of gaining maximum control over people's actions? By hiding our faces in public, do we not undermine that effort, which is now almost world-wide, with China leading the way? And yet here was see China dictating mask use, which completely circumvents their video monitoring of their population. The argument makes zero sense. But hey, MUH FREEDUMS! Right? Honestly, it's a wonder to me how these anti-maskers even get their shoes tied in the morning, there's so little evidence of any capacity for coherent thought.

But of course I'm spitting into the wind with this. The Dunning-Kruger effect is real, as are a number of other basic tenets of human psychology, all boringly predictable. The less capable the individual, the more capable they will likely perceive themselves to be. Going to sources such as https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0869-5 showing that asymptomatic/presymptomatic spread is probably around 44% isn't something most are likely to bother doing, much less actually reading the studies. Seems for many that it takes actually losing a family member or friend to the disease before they believe the pandemic is even real, and in some cases people don't believe even then. I saw a clip a couple of weeks ago of some idiot at a Trump rally proudly explaining that while he'd lost a cousin to COVID-19, and another relative was currently severely ill with the disease, it seemed to him that the media was full of lies and you just can't trust the media, so he was not wearing a mask and was going to go with what Trump said, whatever that was. We're doomed.
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Re: Corona Virus any change to your day to day yet?
« Reply #73 on: July 12, 2020, 11:24:56 AM »
Thank you for making my point:   "Soon society will be more bifurcated than ever along a number of dimensions, skin colour, mask/no mask, wealth status, religious affiliation, education level... and all in service of what, exactly?".   NWO!!!   BTW,  isn't Canada a Socialist leaning society?
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Re: Corona Virus any change to your day to day yet?
« Reply #74 on: July 12, 2020, 11:29:02 AM »
The latest test results I have seen is that a simple cloth masks decreases the spread of the virus by a factor of SIX.... In addition, "sneeze" tests show that droplets from a typical cough or sneeze without a mask can travel up to 8 feet.... A bandana cuts that to 3 feet, and a two layer cloth mask that fits well cuts that down to 2.5 INCHES....

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Science or Politics?.... You want to sign up to experiment with YOUR life, go ahead.... but you do NOT have my permission to threaten MINE.... PERIOD....

Bob

I'd suggest you NOT come anywhere near me or mine.  You're likely a carrier and don't know it since you wear a spit trap on your face.
You obviously show no regard to differing opinions, even to the message from the Physician I cited above.  He even states that masks aren't effective.

Does that Doctor wear a mask when performing surgery? Does he wear a mask or gloves when treating a patient with an infectious disease?
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