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Re: Long range scope mounts and more
« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2019, 10:12:11 PM »
FX has the No Limit rings that give you a little more range at lot less cost.

https://www.airgundepot.com/fx-airguns-no-limit-scope-mount-30-mm-dovetail.html

Like the Sportmatch more to be honest.
More user friendly.
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Re: Long range scope mounts and more
« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2019, 08:57:15 PM »
I have the Sportsmatch on my FT rig. Work great.
And the Signature Zee on the Flex.
Both will give you elevation, Sportsmatch more so.
I run these to get a better optical center on the scopes.
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Re: Long range scope mounts and more
« Reply #17 on: June 19, 2019, 10:15:32 PM »
I have the Sportsmatch on my FT rig. Work great.
And the Signature Zee on the Flex.
Both will give you elevation, Sportsmatch more so.
I run these to get a better optical center on the scopes.

Idd so we shoot mostly @100m most picarail are optical neutral with best slug @ that distance.
Only the sinner has adjustable mounts.
 
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Re: Long range scope mounts and more
« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2019, 11:20:49 AM »
“The difference between men and boys are the price of their toys!”

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Re: Long range scope mounts and more
« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2021, 10:02:50 PM »
Just to contribute to an older thread — here's a Scope Mounting Table with specs of around 20 mounting solutions
that increase your elevation cant — either adjustable or fixed —
for 30mm scope tubes.


Besides
▪ prices,
▪ mounting heights,
▪ amount of elevation adjustment or windage,
▪ and hints to what additional scope tube diameters the brands offers adjustable mounts in —
▪ you also get solutions to convert a dovetail to a picatinny rail —
the lowest way possible.



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Scope Mounting Table 30mm

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Re: Long range scope mounts and more
« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2021, 04:52:39 AM »
I believe this is incorrect: "• Total elevation adjustment (cant)"

Cant is the misalignment of the axis' between the bore and scope centerlines, and has nothing to do with elevation.

No mentioned was made with respect to outside factors, such as suppressor radius, which sometimes dictate the scope mounting height. And speaking of which, often scopes are mounted high to suit the shooter's stance, with no regard to excess centerline to centerline height effect on PBR (point blank range) vis-a-vis POI (point of impact)—two factors almost always ignored!
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« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2021, 10:31:45 AM »
Yes, Alan, you're of course right that "cant" is often used to describe that the rifle or the scope is tilted to the right or to the left — then we have our rifle cant and scope cant.

So, what do we call it when the scope is tilted forward...?  🤔 


I thought elevation cant might be a good term, since some of the manufacturers are using the term "cant" on their websites.

Here're Burris and Warne:
https://www.burrisoptics.com/blog/mounting-systems/burris-xtr-signature-rings

https://warnescopemounts.com/20moa-explained/


Not sure, language sometimes confuses me....


🔸You mention two factors for mounting scopes high — very good points — some shooters need that (or at least want it). 👍🏼

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Re: Long range scope mounts and more
« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2021, 12:24:17 PM »
Yes perhaps, but it is misleading, as is this:  "...then we have our rifle cant and scope cant."

This is a case of vernacular perhaps, but to me rifle cant is not holding the rifle perpendicular, hence offsetting the POI from the POA. Scope cant is misalignment of the scope within its mount. Both of these issues are what I call neophyte habits.

All too often, hunters are not trained to shoot properly, and their attempts to mount their scopes on their own, are often comical. Even supposedly-well-trained employees of gun shops, have a hard time of it. This is why my father (owner of the family's sporting goods store) never mounted a scope for anyone—he let our in-house gunsmith do it. And, he always handed every scope purchaser, a copy of Weaver's "How to aim" booklet. I wish I had a copy in my library nowadays.

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Re: Long range scope mounts and more
« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2021, 12:53:04 PM »
To me rifle cant is not holding the rifle perpendicular, hence offsetting the POI from the POA.
Scope cant is misalignment of the scope within its mount.



🔶 Yes, thank you, well said, that's what I meant!  👍🏼



🔶 You have quite a family history there, Alan! How cool! I wish my dad would have been seeling GUNS instead of insurance...!  😄
May I ask what the sporting goods store was called?

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Re: Long range scope mounts and more
« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2021, 01:32:18 PM »
It was Called Applegate's Sporting Goods, and was located at 14 Westport Rd., Kansas City, MO, when it was closed in August, 1958. The building it still there, but the Baptist church which was one door east, has long since been torn down. I used to lay on the roof of the building, and shoot pigeons roosting in the belfry.

The store was on the right, a jeweler was in the middle, and Arman Duval, a world-renowned taxidermist on the left. You can't really see the door, but at 18 1/2 were steps up to the four apartments up stairs. I haven't a clue who owns the building now, but when my dad closed the store, the Baptist church bought it.

By the way, I should add I was 18 when the store was closed. At one time, it was located at 13 East 39th Street (39th and Main). On the north west corner was Harry Truman's and Harry Jacobson's haberdashery. Yes, I did know Harry rather well. I have a few stories about him, few would believe these days. He was as crude as folks say he as, but he also had a very soft heart if you knew how to cross the barrier. RIP!


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« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2021, 08:47:36 PM »
Thanks for sharing some history there! 👍🏼   I bet there are lots of memories for you connected to that store. 😊 



Called Applegate's Sporting Goods:
The building it still there, but the Baptist church which was one door east, has long since been torn down.
I used to lay on the roof of the building, and shoot pigeons roosting in the belfry.



You can NOT imagine how much I would have loved to do that as a kid, Alan!! 

Well, alas, now several decades later, it has come to pass.   ;) 

And I am just as thrilled as I would have been at age 10.


They say that in every man there lives a boy.
They are not wrong.
They are not wrong at all.


😄 With a grin as wide as my face,
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