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Re: The whole sorted silencer/LDC/moderator thing proposal
« Reply #45 on: October 24, 2016, 11:04:19 AM »
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Re: The whole sorted silencer/LDC/moderator thing proposal
« Reply #46 on: October 24, 2016, 06:29:42 PM »
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Well said
Theyll be coming for my truck muffler choice in no time
Change in 2016 IS NOT GOOD
LGBT,BLM offers plenty of tolerant clues to what change is today
Why fix what aint broke?
You want a silencer,do the paper work,pay the tax and move on
I did the paper work on one several years ago,Im at 9 rigs to date and did nothing for the last 8 but "pay" for the can.
Two powder burners are internally suppressed as well as canned due to the report for the caliber.
That old GTA position on suppressors needs to die,let them live with the socialist fear(s).
No place for it here in America on an American Forum.
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So, this is like PETA trying to manipulate people into feeling more empathy for fish by calling them sea kittens?

Kind of my thoughts too really. Just feeding a weak, simple minded society to continue to downgrade. Who cares WHAT it's called! It is what it is!!! PERIOD!!

It isn't so much about how we say it honestly Travis. To me and a few others it is the very fact that we have the right to say whatever we wish without discourse from any form of whiplash from any hierarchy. I am not a walking shell of a man because I figured I would go piss away 4 years in a dad gummed sand box for nothing. I am not an AF tech guy, no smart mechanic or anything of that matter.

I am the guy that actually went door to door shedding  B, S and T's with the ones to my left, right, front and rear. I do not take lightly Having ANY rights taken away from any citizen whether it be by simply "banning" a word on a forum which blocks free speech or by restricting or banning ANY form of weapon that our military has access to today from civilian use.

Just my thoughts.

HP is for Hollow Points and Hearing protection. You don't want it loud, use cigarette butts for earmuffs or just perhaps you are not supposed to be shooting where you do?

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Re: The whole sorted silencer/LDC/moderator thing proposal
« Reply #48 on: November 20, 2016, 11:43:49 AM »
http://www.wibc.com/blogs/gun-guy/should-congress-finally-deregulate-silencers-2017

Good article.  I didn't realize the HPA only removes the tax and additional background check and leaves them defined as firearms.  I'd like to see the HPA go a step further and lose the firearm definition as well.  Them being suppressors of course :)

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Re: The whole sorted silencer/LDC/moderator thing proposal
« Reply #49 on: November 20, 2016, 05:12:38 PM »
Interesting.  It seems like this would also allow individuals to manufacture them for their own personal use just as they can manufacture a firearm for their own use now.  Subject to state laws of course. 
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Re: The whole sorted silencer/LDC/moderator thing proposal
« Reply #50 on: November 21, 2016, 04:27:00 AM »
Well, hearing protection act or not, I think we need to assess the term "silencer". Yes, they reduce the muzzle report, but they don't really silence the report—they only reduce the level of it. The reason I bring this up, is the simple fact that too many folks have been Hollywoodized! They think that a silenced gun (air or powder) won't make any noise when a silencer is installed. That is simply not the truth. For example, my 397 Benjamin has a TKO on it, and you can indeed hear the hammer fall as a result. But the silenced 9mm I once owned sounded more like my Ruger .22 caliber pistol—rather loud! And I don't think calling them quieters, or some other euphemism will work either. The real question is, how do we convince Hollywoodized congress people to forget their ingrained knowledge of same?
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Re: The whole sorted silencer/LDC/moderator thing proposal
« Reply #51 on: November 21, 2016, 07:56:58 AM »
Well, hearing protection act or not, I think we need to assess the term "silencer". Yes, they reduce the muzzle report, but they don't really silence the report—they only reduce the level of it. The reason I bring this up, is the simple fact that too many folks have been Hollywoodized! They think that a silenced gun (air or powder) won't make any noise when a silencer is installed. That is simply not the truth. For example, my 397 Benjamin has a TKO on it, and you can indeed hear the hammer fall as a result. But the silenced 9mm I once owned sounded more like my Ruger .22 caliber pistol—rather loud! And I don't think calling them quieters, or some other euphemism will work either. The real question is, how do we convince Hollywoodized congress people to forget their ingrained knowledge of same?

I agree and is the reason I use the term moderator.  It's an accurate description and is all ready in widespread use.

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Re: The whole sorted silencer/LDC/moderator thing proposal
« Reply #52 on: November 21, 2016, 06:31:38 PM »
That sounds(pun) like a source issue
I have a .308 thats half as loud as a .22 short
Great pig gun FWIW
Not all cans are equal(yeah we just call'em cans)
Better sourcing over branding works good in Texas anyway


Well, hearing protection act or not, I think we need to assess the term "silencer". Yes, they reduce the muzzle report, but they don't really silence the report—they only reduce the level of it. The reason I bring this up, is the simple fact that too many folks have been Hollywoodized! They think that a silenced gun (air or powder) won't make any noise when a silencer is installed. That is simply not the truth. For example, my 397 Benjamin has a TKO on it, and you can indeed hear the hammer fall as a result. But the silenced 9mm I once owned sounded more like my Ruger .22 caliber pistol—rather loud! And I don't think calling them quieters, or some other euphemism will work either. The real question is, how do we convince Hollywoodized congress people to forget their ingrained knowledge of same?
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Re: The whole sorted silencer/LDC/moderator thing proposal
« Reply #53 on: November 24, 2016, 12:54:59 PM »
Sarge as much as I understand where your coming from I think your missing the point you can't keep doing things the same way over and over expecting different results but coming up with the same results. We have to change OUR way of thinking to battle those who oppose us otherwise we will lose the battle. Our strategy needs to change across the whole industry. Sure you call it what ever you want but all that's doing is feeding the fire.

Hearing protectors will still have to be explained to people (like "moderator") because the first thing they'll picture are shooting earmuffs or something similar.  The HPA (hearing protection act) is correct because that's what silencers do, but calling the silencers a hearing protector (even though that's what it does as a SECOND feature... the first feature is SILENCE (to some degree but not implicitly)) may not be totally correct, nor the best name to rename what it actually does.  First and foremost it reduces the noise of of the gun (it doesn't silence it).  And to keep from calling it HP (Hollow Point) and creating more confusion, or calling it a hearing protector (and cause confusion with shooter muffs), let's either call it a silencer or use a name that tells what it does, something like ND (noise reducer) or END (Excessive noise reducer) or NL (noise limiter) or NS (noise suppressor).  First it's a noise reducer, THEN it's a hearing protector.
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Re: The whole sorted silencer/LDC/moderator thing proposal
« Reply #54 on: November 25, 2016, 04:38:37 PM »
Sarge as much as I understand where your coming from I think your missing the point you can't keep doing things the same way over and over expecting different results but coming up with the same results. We have to change OUR way of thinking to battle those who oppose us otherwise we will lose the battle. Our strategy needs to change across the whole industry. Sure you call it what ever you want but all that's doing is feeding the fire.

Hearing protectors will still have to be explained to people (like "moderator") because the first thing they'll picture are shooting earmuffs or something similar.  The HPA (hearing protection act) is correct because that's what silencers do, but calling the silencers a hearing protector (even though that's what it does as a SECOND feature... the first feature is SILENCE (to some degree but not implicitly)) may not be totally correct, nor the best name to rename what it actually does.  First and foremost it reduces the noise of of the gun (it doesn't silence it).  And to keep from calling it HP (Hollow Point) and creating more confusion, or calling it a hearing protector (and cause confusion with shooter muffs), let's either call it a silencer or use a name that tells what it does, something like ND (noise reducer) or END (Excessive noise reducer) or NL (noise limiter) or NS (noise suppressor).  First it's a noise reducer, THEN it's a hearing protector.

I'd have to agree with spydie.

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Re: The whole sorted silencer/LDC/moderator thing proposal
« Reply #55 on: November 25, 2016, 11:25:48 PM »
Best outcome would be to remove silencers from the NFA list. A tough sell because the same people who are always coming at you with sad puppydog eyes begging you to "come to the table" and talking about "compromise" when it comes to pushing for more gun laws will fight tenaciously tooth and nail to keep any current gun laws on the books from being repealed or even loosened up. There is NEVER any room for "compromise" then.

I also wouldn't mind seeing the ridiculous "short barreled rifles" provision go the way of the dinosaur. Why can't they just be classified as pistols and be under the same federal and state regulations?

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Re: The whole sorted silencer/LDC/moderator thing proposal
« Reply #56 on: November 26, 2016, 04:02:39 AM »
One of the reasons we have gun laws to start with is to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. The left wingers would have you believe it is working, but we all know it isn't!
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Re: The whole sorted silencer/LDC/moderator thing proposal
« Reply #57 on: November 26, 2016, 06:18:54 PM »
Sorry but Gun LAWS are about "control"
Any Law against the 2A is about control,we(some) went thru this crap in 1994.
The left wingers have You believing the criminal element* crutch of their position
In no way is that a complete sentence per context.(double speak)

One of the reasons we have gun laws to start with is to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. The left wingers would have you believe it is working, but we all know it isn't!
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Re: The whole sorted silencer/LDC/moderator thing proposal
« Reply #58 on: November 27, 2016, 04:46:19 AM »
You are correct—it is control. It is, by definition, cohesive utopianism, as defined by Dr. H. Peter Metzger, PHd. In short, you pass a law which has some specific, positive-sounding attribute, but the real reason is something else. This is a typical, left-wing scenario, the world has seen many times before.
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