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Neil Clague Texan Shroud
« on: February 09, 2019, 08:11:34 PM »
After the last airgun shoot at Kevin’s, my worn out drummer’s ears were ringing. The .308 and .257 Texans are fairly loud. I’d forgotten ear plugs and ear muffs and I decided to do something about it.

Talked to Neil Clague and turns out he had two designs for the Texan and I committed. It came in the mail today and I quickly ripped open the tube it came shipped in and installed it on the Texan. 

It’s nicely finished and installs by loosening two screws on the Texan, removing the cap, and replacing with the shroud and retightening the screws. Took a minute.

I dry fired the rifle once and the only sound I heard was the mechanism! Can’t wait to load it up and send some lead down range.

Neil makes no-nonsense LDCs and Shrouds and they are quiet, functional and durable. I now have three Clague Suppressors and I give two thumbs up!


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Re: Neil Clague Texan Shroud
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2019, 05:15:21 AM »
Some questions:

Can the shroud be removed easily and does it need to be removed for barrel cleaning?

How much does it weigh?

How far off of the end of the barrel does it extend?

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Re: Neil Clague Texan Shroud
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2019, 08:02:23 AM »
Some questions:

Can the shroud be removed easily and does it need to be removed for barrel cleaning?

How much does it weigh?

How far off of the end of the barrel does it extend?

1. to remove shroud, loosen two screws, and pull the shroud off. Easy Peasy.
2. Neil's new design uses some flexible baffles, and I think it's best to remove the shroud while cleaning, as I suspect a wire brush might cause issues. I'll ask him.
3. I'll measure and weigh and holler back

Evidently it needs about five shots to clear some baffles, and so my first shot with no ammo is not a good indicator of performance. I'll try to shoot in my shop today using my steel trap, then shoot video of with and without the shroud. "Try" is the keyword here...
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Re: Neil Clague Texan Shroud
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2019, 11:58:52 AM »
Overall length of the shroud is 16”
Complete length of rifle with shroud is 54”
Shroud adds 6” to length of Texan
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Re: Neil Clague Texan Shroud
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2019, 12:24:56 PM »
Quick and dirty video after refilling with air, and on about shot number 12.

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Re: Neil Clague Texan Shroud
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2019, 01:52:01 PM »
It makes a difference as you know. I would use mine a lot more if I was more convinced that it didn't affect accuracy. I don't know why it bothers me; it shouldn't. I used it last year with you and took a turkey at around 100 yards with it on with no problem. The 'can' style of mine causes the gun to be even MORE front heavy on an already front heavy gun. But as you know it greatly reduces the report which is great for both my ears and the game I'm hunting. The big drawback is carrying it. It's already big and doesn't sling particularly well. The HS can makes it so top heavy that it tips over, and has to be carried across the chest or one handed at the side. Maybe the weight distribution of your NC model will alleviate that.

It's a sea of variables for the Texan model guns. Air pressure, power wheel, custom stocks, cast ammo, seemingly endless options for bullet types, etc.  I know that all ag's benefit greatly from upgrades and tuning, but most do not have the capable range of the Texan's. It's not hard to outshoot a Texan with just about anything at 50 yards for groupings. But it's not made for that; it's about sending one a long ways. And once you start getting out past a certain range of about 150 to 200 yards all of those variables start kicking in.  Even with a stock configuration (no internal work done) and a couple of thousand shots I'm still figuring a lot of stuff out and I have a long ways to go to get the most out of my current platform.

I only bring this up because the suppressor was and is part of the variable puzzle that I've been trying to solve. I'm thinking that there are times I feel like something is not behaving how it should accuracy-wise and the real culprit is a slightly fouled barrel. This can take me away from or make me lose confidence in a positive adjustment. I had one of my best sessions with the Witt's muzzle break on. Then I had a session where for whatever reason I felt that it was having a negative effect. Same with the suppressor.

Didn't mean to highjack your thread. Can't wait to get out for some shooting. Definitely out for the upcoming weekend. Belated Valentine's Day. 
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Re: Neil Clague Texan Shroud
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2019, 03:40:20 PM »
The most important issue, with respect to accuracy, when using a suppressor, is concentricity of its bore, with that of the barrel, as even a few thousands will effect the accuracy. This isn't as easy as it sounds with suppressors which are NOT screwed on. The one I sent Steve was made by Neil, and he needed to know the EXACT outer diameter of the shroud. As Steve can tell you, there is no wobble even before it is tightened down.

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Re: Neil Clague Texan Shroud
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2019, 04:17:03 PM »
My can 'base' clamps onto the barrel with an allen tightening screw and then the suppressor gets screwed onto that. I don't care for it, but I needed one in a pinch and my choices at the time were limited. I needed sound suppression and the only alternative was a model that required barrel removal which makes it impractical for bore cleaning.
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Re: Neil Clague Texan Shroud
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2019, 04:42:43 PM »
That "was" the case on my WAR, before I upgraded it to the new suppressor. This new on screws on, and has 5 sections. It is noticeably quieter than the old 3 section.

I've never shot the gun without the suppressor, so I can't say if it changes the POI. I suspect it would, if for no other reason than barrel resonance. But why, I ask myself, because it is a tack-holer.
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Re: Neil Clague Texan Shroud
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2019, 04:56:08 PM »
My can 'base' clamps onto the barrel with an allen tightening screw and then the suppressor gets screwed onto that. I don't care for it, but I needed one in a pinch and my choices at the time were limited. I needed sound suppression and the only alternative was a model that required barrel removal which makes it impractical for bore cleaning.

It is a no brainer to install and takes a minute. No flipping barrel removing. I saw the video a guy put together to install an R&L suppressor oh holy crap what a pain that looks like.

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Re: Neil Clague Texan Shroud
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2019, 06:01:05 PM »
Exactly. R&L's was one of the first to provide one but it had the issues you saw. AAO had discontinued their original Texan suppressor and I was holding out at the time for the new Air Beast from them. The release date was out for months so I was somewhat forced to buy the only available product that didn't require me to remove or thread the barrel.

I would like to see how your gun groups with and without it. I'd also like to see your groups with lubed and/or sized bullets.
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Re: Neil Clague Texan Shroud
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2019, 06:47:26 PM »
Exactly. R&L's was one of the first to provide one but it had the issues you saw. AAO had discontinued their original Texan suppressor and I was holding out at the time for the new Air Beast from them. The release date was out for months so I was somewhat forced to buy the only available product that didn't require me to remove or thread the barrel.

I would like to see how your gun groups with and without it. I'd also like to see your groups with lubed and/or sized bullets.

Yep, I want to see how it groups with the shroud.

I have sized all the 72 grain bullets I cast, and I lubed with the dry powder Tungsten Disulfide. The durn bullets are slick and hard to pick up! I guess you could say I’m a glutton for punishment by adding variables...

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Re: Neil Clague Texan Shroud
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2019, 06:57:08 AM »
I wouldn't say a glutton for punishment...I'd call it a necessary evil but also something that should always be acknowledged. Compared to lower powered pellet shooters and reg'd guns the Texans IMO are darn hard to tame and control. On other types of guns you can make subtle and even not-so-subtle adjustments and see incremental changes.

I think it really affects me since I have the notorious .308. If you believe what you read, of the four Texan calibers it's the hardest to get to perform at a high level. Maybe the twist rate, valve, or the endless choices of .30 cal ammo...who knows. It's actually something (the challenge) that I've come to enjoy. It hasn't gotten boring and I'm able to keep improving and experimenting all of the time. To use an analogy, the FX Streamline .25 is my 'street car' and the Texan is the 'race car' I have to trailer to the track. One is just reliable, always ready to go, no frills, and dependable. The other takes prep work, tuning, modifying, tweaking, parts upgrade, and a LOT of practice. But the payoff is big fun and thrills.

On a side note, I went against the instructions and sized a couple of bullets without the lube (still waiting for 10 wt. RC shock oil to arrive)  My goodness, does that take a LOT of pressure! I couldn't get a bullet to go through the .308 die (got jammed and had to poke it out) and I barely got one to go through the .309 die. My mold is a .311. Wondering if I have to size bullets twice to get .308.
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Re: Neil Clague Texan Shroud
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2019, 11:12:38 AM »
I wouldn't say a glutton for punishment...I'd call it a necessary evil but also something that should always be acknowledged. Compared to lower powered pellet shooters and reg'd guns the Texans IMO are darn hard to tame and control. On other types of guns you can make subtle and even not-so-subtle adjustments and see incremental changes.

I think it really affects me since I have the notorious .308. If you believe what you read, of the four Texan calibers it's the hardest to get to perform at a high level. Maybe the twist rate, valve, or the endless choices of .30 cal ammo...who knows. It's actually something (the challenge) that I've come to enjoy. It hasn't gotten boring and I'm able to keep improving and experimenting all of the time. To use an analogy, the FX Streamline .25 is my 'street car' and the Texan is the 'race car' I have to trailer to the track. One is just reliable, always ready to go, no frills, and dependable. The other takes prep work, tuning, modifying, tweaking, parts upgrade, and a LOT of practice. But the payoff is big fun and thrills.

On a side note, I went against the instructions and sized a couple of bullets without the lube (still waiting for 10 wt. RC shock oil to arrive)  My goodness, does that take a LOT of pressure! I couldn't get a bullet to go through the .308 die (got jammed and had to poke it out) and I barely got one to go through the .309 die. My mold is a .311. Wondering if I have to size bullets twice to get .308.

Only time I've had bullets difficult to size are on the big .575's. All others have been not so tight. First batch of bullets I sized were .457's and I used that bullet lube that comes with Lee sizing dies, and oh lordy that was a mess. I decided then and there I was not using that stuff. I occasionally spray some Hornady One Shot lube on the dies and the bullets slip through all nice.
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Re: Neil Clague Texan Shroud
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2019, 08:46:32 PM »
I run my cast bullets thru my Lee sizer with no lube. Never had a problem. They cast at .311/.312 and I size to .308.
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