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Re: ******SAFETY WARNING FOR GEN2 Mrod******
« Reply #30 on: July 21, 2016, 10:51:45 AM »
I'll throw my 2 cents into here on the topic of gen 2 triggers being installed without pulling the trigger...have tore both my mrods down 15-20 times each NEVER pulled the trigger on reinstall and have NEVER had a problem with the sears...I will definitely check mine though for any damage
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Re: ******SAFETY WARNING FOR GEN2 Mrod******
« Reply #31 on: July 21, 2016, 11:17:27 AM »
Maybe all it takes is something as simple as the order you install the screws in?.... If you put a front screw in first, the angle of the trigger group pushes the sear aft when it contacts the hammer, and it drops clear and no damage.... but if you install the rear screw first, the angle of the group pushes the sear forward, it hangs up on the drop lever, and when you install and tighten the front screw, the sear chips.... Just a guess.... Maybe you've been lucky 30 times....  ???

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Re: ******SAFETY WARNING FOR GEN2 Mrod******
« Reply #32 on: July 21, 2016, 11:35:39 AM »
Ive rebuilt 100s of mrods and I can say from experience ive seen it before but only on guns where the customer has adjusted the trigger for low overtravel and the sear is setting on its edge then throw in a heavy spring and you get sear damage other than that I dont believe its and issue at all.

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Re: ******SAFETY WARNING FOR GEN2 Mrod******
« Reply #33 on: July 21, 2016, 11:37:59 AM »
So, Travis, you don't think the sear can be (or is being) damaged on installation?....

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Re: ******SAFETY WARNING FOR GEN2 Mrod******
« Reply #34 on: July 21, 2016, 12:01:05 PM »
I should perhaps be very clear on what I mean.... The Gen 1 sear has two positions (and I assume the Gen 2 is the same).... When pushed to the rear, as happens when you cock the gun, it can drop down behind the lever that releases it on firing, and if it is in that position when installed, no damage occurs.... However, if it is in the front position, which is where it is when cocked, it is sitting on top of the drop mechanism, and if you bolt it to the gun like that, when you tighten the screws, you WILL break the sear.... I know, because it happened to me, and I have seen MANY reports of this happening to others.... The solution is to pull the trigger while you tighten the screws, and then it will drop down out of the way of the hammer when you install it....

It was suggested by MichaelM on the GTA that perhaps the damage to the Gen 2 sears that started this thread could have been caused during installation of the trigger group onto the tube, and I agree.... That is the only point I am trying to make, is that this damage MAY be due to the sear hitting the hammer on installation, and the extreme load applied when the screws are tightened is chipping that edge, which then makes the trigger unsafe.... In other words, because of the redesign of the sear on the Gen 2, instead of the sear breaking in half, it chips that critical edge.... Just a thought, but that COULD be the culprit here.... This does not mean people shouldn't take the careful approach and inspect their sear.... but it does mean those results should be documented, particularly in guns where they have never been apart since leaving Crosman.... It also means that anyone removing the trigger group from an MRod should pull the trigger while reinstalling it, to prevent sear breakage or damage, IMO....

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I agree Bob however I just done a few adjustments on my gen 2 and you can adjust the trigger to were what you say happens.  I adjusted mine some how to were the sear goes all the way in and does not touch the release until cocked so I can see where you can damage the sear if you just push it up and tighten it and try to cock.

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Re: ******SAFETY WARNING FOR GEN2 Mrod******
« Reply #35 on: July 21, 2016, 12:07:23 PM »
Ive rebuilt 100s of mrods and I can say from experience ive seen it before but only on guns where the customer has adjusted the trigger for low overtravel and the sear is setting on its edge then throw in a heavy spring and you get sear damage other than that I dont believe its and issue at all.

Amen, oldman that is probably why they changed the sear around on the gen 2.  I adjusted the little set screws on the trigger to were the sear would go all the way into the slot and not touché the sear release.  It is only an issue if the end of the sear is actually damaged.
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Re: ******SAFETY WARNING FOR GEN2 Mrod******
« Reply #36 on: July 21, 2016, 12:30:42 PM »
So, Travis, you don't think the sear can be (or is being) damaged on installation?....

Bob
It can easily be damaged on installation if one doesn't release the trigger before  tightening down the three mount screws. But I don't believe they are failing in the field unless the trigger is being adjusted to a point where the sear is barely in contact with drop sear.

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Re: ******SAFETY WARNING FOR GEN2 Mrod******
« Reply #37 on: July 21, 2016, 12:51:25 PM »
That was pretty much my point.... I think the damage is more likely to occur on installation.... Thanks....

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Re: ******SAFETY WARNING FOR GEN2 Mrod******
« Reply #38 on: July 21, 2016, 12:53:47 PM »
Well I for one am not going to take an opinion of what could of happened over the facts shown of what DID happen. And try to take this with a grain of salt. I have done installation on both Gen I and II trigger groups so many times I can't even remember and have never seen anything like what has been happening with these Gen II sears. A fully adjustable trigger system should be just that, fully adjustable.

As for depressing the trigger when installing, well that is just common sense. If you don't do it you will break it. But it will certainly not cause what is pictured above. What is pictured above is a case of lack in Quality Control Period! Crosman wants that rifle back for a reason, and it isn't because they want to replace his rifle!

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Re: ******SAFETY WARNING FOR GEN2 Mrod******
« Reply #39 on: July 21, 2016, 01:01:53 PM »
Well Matt I am glad I got the one that I got when I got it Huh?
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Re: ******SAFETY WARNING FOR GEN2 Mrod******
« Reply #40 on: July 21, 2016, 01:02:43 PM »
I'll shut up now, until we hear from Crosman and see what they do about it.... If it's their fault, you can bet there will be a recall of Gen 2 MRods....

Just to be clear, I'm not saying the damage didn't occur, that is a FACT.... it's how it occurred that I was questioning.... Sorry for interjecting that....  :(

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Re: ******SAFETY WARNING FOR GEN2 Mrod******
« Reply #41 on: July 21, 2016, 02:52:01 PM »
Oh I agree Bob, how is the question for sure!
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Re: ******SAFETY WARNING FOR GEN2 Mrod******
« Reply #42 on: July 21, 2016, 05:16:40 PM »
If the hammer is all the way forward there is no way it can get into a bind with the sear.
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Re: ******SAFETY WARNING FOR GEN2 Mrod******
« Reply #43 on: July 21, 2016, 07:24:32 PM »
If the hammer is all the way forward there is no way it can get into a bind with the sear.
You have it backwards. If the hammer is all the way back not forward.