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Title: Anyone use Hatsan Vortex Strike Pellets?
Post by: steveoh on August 13, 2021, 07:30:25 AM
I needed ammo for my Benjamin Bulldog and could not find any JSB's, but I did find Hatsan Vortex Strike pellets in .35. Price was right, but I'm wondering if anyone is using these things?

I ordered from Amazon well aware that Amazon couldn't pack a box if their life depended on it. I knew I'd have to put up with a certain amount of damage. Looks like the dents in the tins was about it. Knock on wood.

Looking in the tins I find tons of dirty bits of lead shavings. Hmmm. Also the skirts are a bit ragged.

Until I can find the bullet molds I'm looking for or JSB sends out more pellets, this is it.

Title: Re: Anyone use Hatsan Vortex Strike Pellets?
Post by: Tinkerer on August 13, 2021, 12:00:03 PM
Just curious,  Have you seen these?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/164994641984?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3Dbca553f24ea34a29b87989f8e2c866c3%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D184907051014%26itm%3D164994641984%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2380057%26brand%3DUnbranded%2FGeneric&_trksid=p2380057.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3Ad034474b-fc67-11eb-bc1d-f6697a4b04b2%7Cparentrq%3A40dd194a17b0a7b0833ee2d2ffd46e76%7Ciid%3A1

I have a sample he sent along with some cast slugs I had bought from him.  They look better than the Vortex pellets.  I never rememberd to shoot these out of my Bulldog.  Kept forgetting to bring them along!
Title: Re: Anyone use Hatsan Vortex Strike Pellets?
Post by: steveoh on August 13, 2021, 03:27:45 PM
Quote from: Tinkerer on August 13, 2021, 12:00:03 PM
Just curious,  Have you seen these?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/164994641984?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3Dbca553f24ea34a29b87989f8e2c866c3%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D184907051014%26itm%3D164994641984%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2380057%26brand%3DUnbranded%2FGeneric&_trksid=p2380057.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3Ad034474b-fc67-11eb-bc1d-f6697a4b04b2%7Cparentrq%3A40dd194a17b0a7b0833ee2d2ffd46e76%7Ciid%3A1

I have a sample he sent along with some cast slugs I had bought from him.  They look better than the Vortex pellets.  I never rememberd to shoot these out of my Bulldog.  Kept forgetting to bring them along!

I actually have some of his slugs and pellets. The quality is severely lacking. I got a batch of slugs that were so wrinkled and with voids they went into my melt box. He sent me replacements but they were terrible also.
Title: Re: Anyone use Hatsan Vortex Strike Pellets?
Post by: bnowlin on August 13, 2021, 04:26:13 PM
Maybe the picture is distorted but the skirts look banged up.
Bobn
Title: Re: Anyone use Hatsan Vortex Strike Pellets?
Post by: steveoh on August 23, 2021, 09:36:11 AM
Quote from: bnowlin on August 13, 2021, 04:26:13 PM
Maybe the picture is distorted but the skirts look banged up.
Bobn

Skirts are all messed up. Lot of trash in these tins. I'll clean them, and lube, then give them a go.
Title: Re: Anyone use Hatsan Vortex Strike Pellets?
Post by: Alan on August 23, 2021, 12:39:02 PM
This is one of the reasons I switched brands of slugs from FX (whoever makes them), to NSA slugs—just too much chaff or chad as the case may be. The question remains, how do you "clean" them, without distorting them?

There is another issue, I brought up (alluded to perhaps) during the discussion about indexing pellets. The skirt and head outside diameter could be very close from pellet to pellet. But even if they were, the variation in skirt symmetry would negate any effort in "indexing" them for accuracy purposes. Put another way, the methodology of making slugs, tends to be much more precise than those used to make pellets. As Bob mentioned, pellets can indeed be very accurate, the percentage of fliers notwithstanding. And I should add, I have never experienced what I would call a flier, while shooting slugs at targets. If I miss hitting the mark, it is assuredly me, not the slug!
Title: Re: Anyone use Hatsan Vortex Strike Pellets?
Post by: JungleShooter on September 07, 2021, 01:02:59 PM
Steveoh,

do you have any info on who makes the Vortex pellets?  Like the tin stating "Made in" or "Manufactured by"?

I'm trying to edit a .22 pellet BC table and there are quite a few pellets in the Vortex lineup.

Thanks. 😊

Matthias

Title: Re: Anyone use Hatsan Vortex Strike Pellets?
Post by: Alan on September 07, 2021, 01:23:41 PM
Vortex is a trademark of Hatsan, and personally, I haven't a clue who actually makes them. They have an 800 number you might call.

HatsanUSA, Inc.
P.O. Box 576
Bentonville, AR 72712

Phone: 1.877.278.4448
Title: Re: Anyone use Hatsan Vortex Strike Pellets?
Post by: steveoh on September 07, 2021, 01:31:51 PM
Quote from: JungleShooter on September 07, 2021, 01:02:59 PM
Steveoh,

do you have any info on who makes the Vortex pellets?  Like the tin stating "Made in" or "Manufactured by"?

I'm trying to edit a .22 pellet BC table and there are quite a few pellets in the Vortex lineup.

Thanks. 😊

Matthias

Made in Argentina.

Title: Re: Anyone use Hatsan Vortex Strike Pellets?
Post by: Smoke4320 on November 09, 2021, 02:01:07 PM
vortex pellets look like someone trying to learn to cast and no idea how to. then once cast chucking them across the room one at a time to land in a metal bucket
Title: Re: Anyone use Hatsan Vortex Strike Pellets?
Post by: Alan on November 09, 2021, 03:40:59 PM
You may be very well correct. My shooting body has tried them is three different rifles, and they turned out to be shotguns!
Title: Re: Anyone use Hatsan Vortex Strike Pellets?
Post by: Steelhead on November 10, 2021, 02:46:54 AM
Steve,

Have you tried NSA? Just curious.
Title: Re: Anyone use Hatsan Vortex Strike Pellets?
Post by: steveoh on November 10, 2021, 03:57:39 AM
Quote from: Steelhead on November 10, 2021, 02:46:54 AM
Steve,

Have you tried NSA? Just curious.

I have not. I think I was going to order some during their move, but never got back to it. I have a bunch of JSBs now, and my PC home cast pellets. Also on a list for a group buy HP slug mold at CastBoolits, but holy hell that's dragging on.

Title: Re: Anyone use Hatsan Vortex Strike Pellets?
Post by: rsterne on November 10, 2021, 09:39:31 PM
One look at the photo of the pellets in the tin, enlarged by clicking on it.... was enough to make me shudder....  :(

Bob
Title: Re: Anyone use Hatsan Vortex Strike Pellets?
Post by: Alan on November 11, 2021, 03:47:17 AM
This is probably not the time...

The type of dross shown in the photo, in one of the reasons I switched over to NSA slugs. It seemed to me, everyone else was having issues with swaging. I haven't tried the Javelins, and I probably won't. After all, you don't fix something that isn't broke!
Title: Re: Anyone use Hatsan Vortex Strike Pellets?
Post by: Steelhead on November 11, 2021, 05:55:22 AM
Just for giggles I looked at the .35 cal on NSA's site. I was surprised to see that they offer different sizes for that caliber (.356, .357, .358, etc.)  Very cool. A while ago Nick Nielson sent me some experimental swaged slugs for my Texan .308. They were @ 127 gr. and swaged/sized at .309. Best shooting over-the-counter bullet out there.

I see that those are no longer available, which is not surprising because the Texan .308 is not nearly as popular as the other calibers. But I digress...

You might be able to purchase a sample pack from NSA of the different sizes and find out some good info about your gun from that.
Title: Re: Anyone use Hatsan Vortex Strike Pellets?
Post by: Smoke4320 on January 01, 2022, 11:43:18 AM
I have shot several weights of NSA's in 22 cal and 30 cal. They tend to be very accurate in my FX Impact and FX Maverick
Title: Re: Anyone use Hatsan Vortex Strike Pellets?
Post by: Alan on January 02, 2022, 04:35:49 AM
Kevin, the smaller ones are best suited in the Korean (et. al.) 9 mm airguns. I know this, the 357 and 358 just do work in the 9 mm gun I gave Steve.
Title: Re: Anyone use Hatsan Vortex Strike Pellets?
Post by: JungleShooter on January 09, 2022, 06:29:49 PM
Well, friends, "ignorance is blissful" they say.
That might be so.
In my case: Ignorance is WASTEFUL! I say.


I should have seen this thread.
But I didn't.
So I wanted to include Vortex pellets in my .22cal BC Table.   🤦🏻‍♂️ 
And I bought Vortex pellets.  🤦🏻‍♂️ 


The Vortex pellets were in the bags of my airgun mule traveling from the US to Peru — carrying a precious load of pellets, slugs, chronos, scope, & amp.


Well, in ignorace my airgun mule did not follow detailed instructions and put the pellets into his hand luggage(!).  🤦🏻‍♂️ 
And in this way contributed to the revenue of the TSA (when they will auction off my pellets...) 🤦🏻‍♂️ 



➔ So, due to my ignorance I wasted money on ordering Vortex pellets.
And due to the ignorance of my airgun mule, I wasted the pellets, too.  (They would have made a nice gift to shooters with less high pellet standards....)


Ignorance is wasteful.

But knowledge is wonderful.

Because H&N just told me that they shipped a load of Baracuda 15 and 18 to a dealer in Peru! Yeaaaaaah!! 😄 Wonderful! Because their quality is extra high (no wonder, German engineering.... 😊).


Matthias
Title: Re: Anyone use Hatsan Vortex Strike Pellets?
Post by: steveoh on January 09, 2022, 07:36:49 PM
Such a sad story!
Title: Re: Anyone use Hatsan Vortex Strike Pellets?
Post by: JungleShooter on January 09, 2022, 09:56:24 PM
Now that I went back to my .22cal BC Table, I checked some notes and there is more to the Vortex brand than meets the eye -- to say that not everything of that brand might be dammably bad.


Yes, the Vortex Strike (in the 3 or 4 calibers they come in) are made in Argentina, probably by the Apolo manufacturer.

However, the Vortex Supreme (14.66gr in .22) is made by H&N, a rebranded H&N Field Target Trophy (the tin says "Made in Germany," and H&N confirmed this in an email).

There is also a Vortex Eco Lead Free (12.35gr in .22) where the tin likewise says "Made in Germany." As this weight is the same as the second version of the non-lead H&N Baracuda Green at 12.35gr, this must be a rebranded pellet from H&N [note: the version 3 of the Baracuda Green weighs now 12.96gr].

The Vortex Express (13.12gr in .22) is a riddle to me, as I cannot find a domed pellet with that weight among the major manufacturers, certainly not at H&N. But the tin says "Made in Germany."



So this is just to set the record straight.
For the me Vortex Strike struck out, thanks to the gut-wrenching close-up photo SteveOh so kindly provided. 👍

Matthias