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California Airgun Regulation Changes
« on: April 14, 2020, 02:11:05 PM »
The State of California has a page on the Department of Fish and Wildlife website to allow for citizens to Petition for Regulation Change.

I'd like to collaborate with folks on writing up a petition to allow big game hunting with big bore airguns and big bore airgun arrow shooters.

Here's the site:
https://fgc.ca.gov/Regulations/Petition-for-Regulation-Change

And here is the document for filing the petition:



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Re: California Airgun Regulation Changes
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2020, 08:07:19 PM »
on it
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Re: California Airgun Regulation Changes
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2020, 09:47:42 AM »
be advised...there is proposed legislation to prohibit LEAD from being used throughout California on/in public shooting ranges.

whether, or not, it applies to airguns, I do not know. it is lawful to use smaller caliber airguns to hunt small game with lead pellets at this time. keep in mind that California is a very unfriendly administration/state legislature towards shooting sports and firearms n general.

if there is a supply of non-lead ammo available, for the big bores, it may have a chance of succeeding.

I will sign petition.

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Re: California Airgun Regulation Changes
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2020, 11:26:29 AM »
This is the elephant in the room in CA (lead)  Steveoh and I have talked at length in person about what you're describing. My fear is pushing for too much and/or what is more than likely unattainable, and in doing so drawing more attention and losing what we already have.

Unless there's a lead alternative that we as shooters come up with, I'm afraid that we CA airgun hunters are about as advanced as we are going to get with hunting opportunities. However, I'm putting together something to bring up the usage of air-driven arrows/bolts for big game hunting. No lead, and the lethality of a broadhead is equal to and likely much more so to big game than a lead bullet from an airgun.

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! There is another alternative..
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2020, 05:38:29 PM »
Everyone at the top level of government, will have a different view. That said....

There are several alternatives to lead. Gold, osmium, depleted uranium, mercury, and a few others are heavier than lead. Most, like mercury are highly poisonous, others radioactive, and a few, rather toxic. Osmium is a lot heavier than lead, but like gold, very expensive. The truth is, lead is STILL the best ammo ingredient. Juxtaposed to this fact, is all of the environmental issues surrounding lead.

I'll buy that lead should be banned when hunting waterfowl, as water fowl tend to eat the lead, and we all know that ingesting lead is poisonous. But, if we're hunting regular game, say coyotes, and other vermin, what the hack difference does it make? It doesn't! But, if you're a tree hugger, then anything which has even a slight impact on the environment is unholy, nefarious, and down right regurgitous!

If we really want all of this left-wing crappola to stop, we need to set the record straight about the TRUE toxicity of all of the alternatives. One such alternative is tungsten. While it might not be toxic to humans, and the animals we hunt, it is VERY toxic to those folks who make ammunition incorporating it. God help us all!
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Re: California Airgun Regulation Changes
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2020, 06:40:18 PM »
Personally leave it alone. It will be ruined for all of us. Right now lead is good with Airguns. Won’t be if we ask to hunt with them.
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Re: California Airgun Regulation Changes
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2020, 03:13:59 AM »
Is the banning of lead more about being a form of gun control and little to do with hunting and mother earth?  Afterall no need to ban a gun if you can't buy ammo for it. 
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« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2020, 05:22:40 AM »
Here is the California synopsis:

Endangered condors (which is true...numbers are disastrously low) were supposedly dying from lead poisoning. The conclusion was that they were ingesting lead from either gut piles or wounded mammals or birds containing lead shot/bullets. California being the environmentally knee-jerk state that it is made an immdediate push to ban lead for hunting purposes. Target shooting was not affected.

I have tended to lean towards Archerhmr's theory. I'm afraid of a total ban on airguns using lead for hunting small vs. coming up with alternative solutions for the use of big bore to hunt large game. I think the former is too valuable to jeopardize to try to get legislation to expand the use of AG's.

Slippery slope. Not sure how to navigate it. Fighting the good fight and making sense is like Don Quixote jousting a windmill. I want to be the voice of reason, but at what cost?
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Re: California Airgun Regulation Changes
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2020, 01:43:40 PM »
Kevin fishes all the time, i am sure soon, 1-5 years, they will ban lead fishing weights.
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Re: California Airgun Regulation Changes
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2020, 02:33:57 PM »
Yep! And knowing how they think, they're switch over to zinc. or some other equally-intoxicating metal!

Maybe, just maybe, we need to feed the left-state's some fo their own medicine. Cyanide seems to be a good choice.
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Re: California Airgun Regulation Changes
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2020, 09:55:38 PM »
Re : Lead in California,  they are not the only ones trying to dump lead all together.  I have the patents on barrels that allow the use of copper jacketed,  and solid copper ammo so there is a work around . But the over all goal should be getting airguns legal to start with then deal with the other crap they push up
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Re: California Airgun Regulation Changes
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2020, 06:46:37 AM »
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Re: California Airgun Regulation Changes
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2020, 07:30:18 AM »
Re : Lead in California,  they are not the only ones trying to dump lead all together.  I have the patents on barrels that allow the use of copper jacketed,  and solid copper ammo so there is a work around . But the over all goal should be getting airguns legal to start with then deal with the other crap they push up

Since you have the patents on your barrel and system can you go into details?

Are you planning on making barrels available for other big bore rifles, like Texans?
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« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2020, 01:05:59 PM »
Actually we have figured out how to make the barrels work on every single make of big bores , and yes within two days we will post an announcement for manufactures to come forward and discuss licensing the IP from us along with 8 other Pneumatic Rifle patents. 

If you look at my Facebook or YouTube you will see us with converted Texans,  and samyangs / Seneca's.    That we shoot a large variety of bullets from randomly mixing weights types , and manufacturers.

We will also have retrofit kits available after our own gun hits the market if manufacturers dont come forward to license,  but that's down the road and the hope is they will make factory retro kits available through themselves so all warranties will be good
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« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2020, 06:26:24 PM »
Actually we have figured out how to make the barrels work on every single make of big bores , and yes within two days we will post an announcement for manufactures to come forward and discuss licensing the IP from us along with 8 other Pneumatic Rifle patents. 

If you look at my Facebook or YouTube you will see us with converted Texans,  and samyangs / Seneca's.    That we shoot a large variety of bullets from randomly mixing weights types , and manufacturers.

We will also have retrofit kits available after our own gun hits the market if manufacturers dont come forward to license,  but that's down the road and the hope is they will make factory retro kits available through themselves so all warranties will be good

Cool. Barrels for AirForce Texans would be awesome. I'd also be interested in retrofitting a Quackenbush in .458, and maybe even the .575.
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