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Seneca Dragon Claw 50.. trigger way heavy needs work
« on: February 21, 2021, 01:30:43 PM »
Well the rain finally stopped ..6 days of rain.
Got the new Seneca Dragan Claw out with some .498 rd ball. Pc'ed they measured .500
Just using the open sights got a 1-1/2" 5 shot group at 50 yds.
The trigger sucks.. got to be 10 + lbs
Looks like I will be researching trigger jobs for this gun as shooting any more is fairly useless for accuracy work.
Not finding anything on Google search
Any pointers/ links to trigger jobs would be appreciated
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Re: Seneca Dragon Claw 50.. trigger way heavy needs work
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2021, 02:46:41 PM »
I just polished everything on the trigger & the hammer where the sear engages the hammer. Didn’t drop the weight a lot but some. The most noticeable difference was the smoothness & predictable break.
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Re: Seneca Dragon Claw 50.. trigger way heavy needs work
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2021, 03:54:54 PM »
Great. Thanks for that.
Can the trigger pack be dropped without disassembling stock and or air tubes?
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Re: Seneca Dragon Claw 50.. trigger way heavy needs work
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2021, 03:06:06 AM »
I feel your pain. My 909's trigger is shitty compared to my Texan and Impact. The Sam Yang's sort of have that feel of a old springer's trigger. From the info I gathered it seems as if it's 'just the way it is' and tweaking will not turn it into a finely tuned Timney-like trigger.

Then again (playing devil's advocate) neither the Claw or the 909 is a bench gun capable of bragging-rights groups. My advice is to learn it (the super-heavy trigger) and work with it. In all truth, you probably won't see a return on the 'investment' of advanced trigger work as the task you're asking the gun to do (drive big bullets down range with finite accuracy) is a tall order even with a 'perfect' trigger.

I make an adjustment to my form when shooting the Sam Yang, which in truth all of us airgunners do with different weapons. Shooting offhand (or on the bench for that matter) I have to use different postures, holds etc. because my guns are so different in weight and shape. The FX Impact is super ergonomic, the Texan is front heavy like no other, and the 909 needs a firm, strong trigger pull. Acceptance and adapting has worked better for me than trying to change the unchangeable.

In summary, put your big boy panties on, quit complaining, and shoot the bastard enough until you're confident. I'm poking your ribs of course, but just learning how to work around some of these things (crappy triggers, heavy guns, etc.) makes us better and more versatile shooters. Embrace the suck.
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Re: Seneca Dragon Claw 50.. trigger way heavy needs work
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2021, 05:01:41 AM »
Good advise.

My take probably isn't important here, but after 70+ years of shooting (airguns, firearms, and back to airguns), I don't like (and never liked) weaponry that required extra effort to fire them, hold them, or aim them. In the modern sense, ergonomics in weaponry is the most important attribute. After all, if you can hit what you're aiming at, why do you own it?
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Re: Seneca Dragon Claw 50.. trigger way heavy needs work
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2021, 07:30:56 AM »
I feel your pain. My 909's trigger is shitty compared to my Texan and Impact. The Sam Yang's sort of have that feel of a old springer's trigger. From the info I gathered it seems as if it's 'just the way it is' and tweaking will not turn it into a finely tuned Timney-like trigger.

Then again (playing devil's advocate) neither the Claw or the 909 is a bench gun capable of bragging-rights groups. My advice is to learn it (the super-heavy trigger) and work with it. In all truth, you probably won't see a return on the 'investment' of advanced trigger work as the task you're asking the gun to do (drive big bullets down range with finite accuracy) is a tall order even with a 'perfect' trigger.

I make an adjustment to my form when shooting the Sam Yang, which in truth all of us airgunners do with different weapons. Shooting offhand (or on the bench for that matter) I have to use different postures, holds etc. because my guns are so different in weight and shape. The FX Impact is super ergonomic, the Texan is front heavy like no other, and the 909 needs a firm, strong trigger pull. Acceptance and adapting has worked better for me than trying to change the unchangeable.

In summary, put your big boy panties on, quit complaining, and shoot the bastard enough until you're confident. I'm poking your ribs of course, but just learning how to work around some of these things (crappy triggers, heavy guns, etc.) makes us better and more versatile shooters. Embrace the suck.

Well said Kevin.

The Korean guns as a whole have horrible triggers.

The 909s and its siblings are easy to take apart as long as you know the idiosyncrasies. If I remember correctly you’ll need to remove the stock and receiver cover. There is a pin you have to punch out to remove trigger assembly. I’m really leery about doing trigger work other than a gentle deburr, polish and lube. I went a bit too far on a QB79 along with adjustment, and I got a hole in my shop garage door as a result.
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Re: Seneca Dragon Claw 50.. trigger way heavy needs work
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2021, 02:28:23 PM »
Well I tackled the Korean beast today. turned it into a pussy cat
I did not know anything about this gun a week ago. Teardown was as simple as taking off the forearm then 4 screws and trigger assembly was in my hand.
its also an extremely simple trigger not anything like an HK UMP trigger.
Knockout one pin and the sear is in your hand. It had terrible machining lines running horizontal to the hammer mating surface.  Fine stoned the sear making sure NOT to change the angle 
The did a full surface hardness treatment followed by a tiny amount of never seize.
changed the spring to a lighter one
put it all back together and much much better. still not what I would call a great trigger but probably 50+ percent better
did the bump test and all is good 
Tomorrow I will get out the trigger pull gauge and test 
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Re: Seneca Dragon Claw 50.. trigger way heavy needs work
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2021, 04:04:36 PM »
Well I tackled the Korean beast today. turned it into a pussy cat
I did not know anything about this gun a week ago. Teardown was as simple as taking off the forearm then 4 screws and trigger assembly was in my hand.
its also an extremely simple trigger not anything like an HK UMP trigger.
Knockout one pin and the sear is in your hand. It had terrible machining lines running horizontal to the hammer mating surface.  Fine stoned the sear making sure NOT to change the angle 
The did a full surface hardness treatment followed by a tiny amount of never seize.
changed the spring to a lighter one
put it all back together and much much better. still not what I would call a great trigger but probably 50+ percent better
did the bump test and all is good 
Tomorrow I will get out the trigger pull gauge and test

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Re: Seneca Dragon Claw 50.. trigger way heavy needs work
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2021, 05:21:58 PM »
Way to go Smoke!
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Re: Seneca Dragon Claw 50.. trigger way heavy needs work
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2021, 06:01:50 PM »
Sweet! Way to make progress without a hiccup. Nicely done.
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Re: Seneca Dragon Claw 50.. trigger way heavy needs work
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2021, 07:30:44 AM »
I also noticed the machine marks when I did mine. I don’t think I replaced the spring though, I’ll have to look into that. But great job, let us know what the trigger pull gauge shows.
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Re: Seneca Dragon Claw 50.. trigger way heavy needs work
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2021, 08:40:43 AM »
5.5 lbs .  Not too bad for a first time job.
So far about 10 shots and all is good
sure I can improve on that even but will shoot it some and see and gauge hardness wear first and if messing with angles is even worth it
its a HUNTING gun for me anyway.
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