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Big Bore Airguns vs Subsonic Centerfire
« on: February 07, 2019, 07:22:09 AM »
I keep finding videos of hunting with Subsonic Ammo Centerfire and suppressed rifles.


Sure is interesting that these guys are using ammo that puts them in the same territory of big bore airguns in terms of velocity, energy and sound.

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Re: Big Bore Airguns vs Subsonic Centerfire
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2019, 07:36:43 AM »
Steve,
You know when Sacramento is done with the powder burners they will be coming for the air powered arms. Of course, we won’t be here.
Right now, thankfully, there are few at the state house that know how to read.. ;D
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Re: Big Bore Airguns vs Subsonic Centerfire
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2019, 10:07:13 AM »
Steve,
You know when Sacramento is done with the powder burners they will be coming for the air powered arms. Of course, we won’t be here.
Right now, thankfully, there are few at the state house that know how to read.. ;D

I get more and more annoyed about this whole subject. You are allowed to hunt deer and other big game in this state with any centerfire handgun that has a 4" barrel.

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(e) Pistols and revolvers using centerfire cartridges with softnose or expanding projectiles may be used to take deer, bear, and wild pigs.
(f) Pistols and revolvers with minimum barrel lengths of 4 inches, using centerfire cartridges with softnose or expanding projectiles may be used to take elk and bighorn sheep.

I know I'm beating a dead horse, but holy cripes this is annoying.

So, I can load up a .25 ACP handgun with a 4" barrel and go deer, bear and wild pig hunting. This set up is capable of maybe 80-90 FPE.

Or I can load up a .300 rifle with blackout subsonic ammo capable of 300- 500 FPE and go deer, bear, and wild pig hunting.

But I can't take my:
 .458 DAQ Outlaw LA big game hunting. This rifle will easily make 500FPE +.
 .575 DAQ Outlaw Pistol big game hunting. This pistol will easily make in excess of 225 FPE.
 .575 DAQ Outlaw Short Rifle LA big game hunting. Not sure the FPE but it is similar to the .458 LA.
 .257 Airforce Texan big game hunting. This rifle with 72 grain bullets is capable of 175 FPE +.
 .457 Sam Yang 909s 200+ FPE

Time to email F&G again. Sigh.



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Re: Big Bore Airguns vs Subsonic Centerfire
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2019, 10:35:43 AM »
As my gramps always said... There is no rhyme nor reason to stupidity.
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Re: Big Bore Airguns vs Subsonic Centerfire
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2019, 01:35:12 PM »
If they legalize, by common sense, more weapons to "take game" they will add more weapons to ban later on, and that will add more people on our side, to fight against them. And since our guns are not "firearms" per NFA rules, it makes it even harder for them to make an end run against us. And you do realize that it's the California legislators intention. IIRC California was the first to ban lead shot to protect a bird that by evolution will die out eventually. Now a ban on importing ammo, though Nevada is only 4 hours away and since I will be buying property in NV this year it probably won't affect me too much.
What gets me, the words "shall not be infringed" are being infringed by the State, thanks to the 1934 NFA (thank you FDR,... not) act that should be repealed.

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Re: Big Bore Airguns vs Subsonic Centerfire
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2019, 03:01:57 PM »
If they legalize, by common sense, more weapons to "take game" they will add more weapons to ban later on, and that will add more people on our side, to fight against them. And since our guns are not "firearms" per NFA rules, it makes it even harder for them to make an end run against us. And you do realize that it's the California legislators intention. IIRC California was the first to ban lead shot to protect a bird that by evolution will die out eventually. Now a ban on importing ammo, though Nevada is only 4 hours away and since I will be buying property in NV this year it probably won't affect me too much.
What gets me, the words "shall not be infringed" are being infringed by the State, thanks to the 1934 NFA (thank you FDR,... not) act that should be repealed.

Remember, Socialism is just Communism before they take our guns. ;)

Not sure socialism has anything to do with it. 

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Re: Big Bore Airguns vs Subsonic Centerfire
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2019, 04:56:45 PM »
I’m somewhat facinated by the class of .30 rimfires that used to exist and be somewhat popular deer calibers back at the turn of the century. I also didn’t know until recently there are some .32 caliber centefires around that perform in the big bore airgun range.

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Re: Big Bore Airguns vs Subsonic Centerfire
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2019, 05:34:46 PM »
I’m somewhat facinated by the class of .30 rimfires that used to exist and be somewhat popular deer calibers back at the turn of the century. I also didn’t know until recently there are some .32 caliber centefires around that perform in the big bore airgun range.

Interesting eh?
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Re: Big Bore Airguns vs Subsonic Centerfire
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2019, 05:42:46 PM »
I love shooting my .32.  Working on a new load for it now. Waiting on a new reloading manual to come in for the new cast bullets I ordered.
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Re: Big Bore Airguns vs Subsonic Centerfire
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2019, 05:47:31 PM »
I love shooting my .32.  Working on a new load for it now. Waiting on a new reloading manual to come in for the new cast bullets I ordered.

Do you hunt with your .32?
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Re: Big Bore Airguns vs Subsonic Centerfire
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2019, 07:12:18 PM »
I carry it on my side when I'm in the woods. Shot at some yotes one day but missed. They were running so I made them run faster.
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Re: Big Bore Airguns vs Subsonic Centerfire
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2019, 04:28:15 AM »
Years ago, I had a Marlin lever action in 32-40 WCF. It was actually designed by Ballard. Today, some would describe it as a weak pistol cartridge, but nonetheless, it took a few deer in my youth!
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