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.308 Texan vs. .308 Remington and .3006 Springfield
« on: August 01, 2019, 05:38:23 PM »
I went out to the public range (which is luckily about 15 minutes from my house) this morning to shoot two deer rifles in preparation for opening day next week. I took an old .3006 Springfield owned by an old family friend who wanted me to check it out for him, as well as my trusty, freezer-filling, low budget Remington 783 .308. I took the Texan too just so I could get some use for my $15.00 range fee.

After working over both powder burners and making some scope adjustments, I put them away and got out the Texan. Amazingly enough the Texan shot tighter groups at both 100 AND 200 yards than either of the centerfires. I did not expect this. As soon as the wind started to blow that consistency went away at 200 yards, but not by much. My 'modern' Remington .308 with floating barrel, hand loads, etc. shot way better than the vintage Springfield.

Bumped into Barry Hirsch whom I had met at the Pacific Airgun Expo. He was itching at the chance to shoot the Texan (and I his custom built Savage .308) and he put two shots within .75" at 100 yards. Very cool to see his reaction.

The Texan's 200 yard groups were drawing some attention from the regulars and that was kind of fun. Every once in a while it's fun to go to the public range.


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Re: .308 Texan vs. .308 Remington and .3006 Springfield
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2019, 08:18:01 PM »
Sounds like a ton of fun!

That's pretty interesting that the Texan gave you better groups than the powder burners at those distances.

Great to show non-airgun folks how well an airgun can perform. I still think it would be mighty interesting to invite CFW to shoot some big bore airguns and let them see what they're missing.  Deer with a .458 is so doable.


I went out to the public range (which is luckily about 15 minutes from my house) this morning to shoot two deer rifles in preparation for opening day next week. I took an old .3006 Springfield owned by an old family friend who wanted me to check it out for him, as well as my trusty, freezer-filling, low budget Remington 783 .308. I took the Texan too just so I could get some use for my $15.00 range fee.

After working over both powder burners and making some scope adjustments, I put them away and got out the Texan. Amazingly enough the Texan shot tighter groups at both 100 AND 200 yards than either of the centerfires. I did not expect this. As soon as the wind started to blow that consistency went away at 200 yards, but not by much. My 'modern' Remington .308 with floating barrel, hand loads, etc. shot way better than the vintage Springfield.

Bumped into Barry Hirsch whom I had met at the Pacific Airgun Expo. He was itching at the chance to shoot the Texan (and I his custom built Savage .308) and he put two shots within .75" at 100 yards. Very cool to see his reaction.

The Texan's 200 yard groups were drawing some attention from the regulars and that was kind of fun. Every once in a while it's fun to go to the public range.
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Re: .308 Texan vs. .308 Remington and .3006 Springfield
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2019, 11:01:04 AM »
Accuracy, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder and depends on a ton of factors.

I have several 30 cal rifles from a 30 Whisper to 300 WM and several times godawful wildcats.  ALL my present day 30's(AND all my other rifles/cals) will "stack" bullets out to 300 yds and more but that depends on how well I prepare the rifle and ammo...so comparing the accuracy of a rifle or AG without any "preparation" is like comparing a Yam with an Apple...WHAT are you comparing...No diss or flame intended...we humans just like to "compare" things.

I have two Air Force rifles, both in 25 cal and YES...the accuracy of both out to 100 yds just keeps blowing me away, but comparing those to my "little" 250 Savage AI isn't any comparison at all...with the most accurate, specific bullets against specific pellets the 250 AI winds hands down and going away, and I built it for my father 45 years ago.

I do a LOT of comparison work but I like to compare apples with apples, and even then HOW do you compare an red Delicious with a green Granny Smith? ::) ???
 
One of the most accurate 30 cal "cheap" rifles I've ever owned was a Rem 788 308 and 130 - 135 gr bullets  ANY brand.

PB and AG are two different worlds yet BOTH have things in common that are beginning to be seen...BY BOTH worlds...it just takes time to get over prejudice and rancor.

By the way WHAT weight pellets did you use in the Texan? 

I keep oscillating(on an hourly basis) between 308 and a 357 Texan...My 357 Hercules is hamstrung as far a pellet length/weight by the 0.0500" wide loading port so maybe the 308 Texan would be the better choice.

Good luck with your Texan
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Re: .308 Texan vs. .308 Remington and .3006 Springfield
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2019, 11:34:18 AM »
Ahhhhh...the good ol' Rem. 788. My first centerfire was a 6mm and given to me on my 13th birthday by my father. The second was a .308 that I bought around 1987 from a gunsmith. It was in bad shape with rust, no butt plate, all nicked up. I re-blued it, stripped/sanded the wood, and had a custom recoil pad fitted. Completed with a Redfield 3x9 it was the most accurate gun that I have ever shot. Unfortunately to make ends meet in my mid-twenties I had to part with it.

That's the reason I now own a 2017 model Remington 783 in .308. Trying to bring back the feel of the basic little 788.

I totally get what you're saying as far as comparing apples to apples. It was just an interesting observation of the comparison between a tuned airgun and factory centerfire ammo/guns.

As far as pellets for the Texan...no pellets at all. I shoot cast slugs. The best by far are the NOE 154 FN BT in solid and hollow point, and the Arsenal .309 115 FN GC. Both perform very well but the Arsenal may be just a hair better grouping out to 200 yards and certainly flatter shooting. The NOE 134 FN BT is a good too.
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Re: .308 Texan vs. .308 Remington and .3006 Springfield
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2019, 11:44:48 AM »
It all depends on.
Shooter and rifle.

Will garanty an texan will not outclass a good .308 centerfire rifle.
For example.
We shoot 110 yard semi benchrest.
Max score 330 points with 30 shots.

Max match score this year with an official match 302 points with a higly tuned Beaumont.

Same shooter with a .308 remington 700.
Same target card same distance 325 points.

So you tell me.
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Re: .308 Texan vs. .308 Remington and .3006 Springfield
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2019, 12:25:34 PM »
Oh, no argument here. A centerfire should outclass a big bore airgun and they do. I was using an old Springfield .3006 that's at least 60 years old and experimental hand loads in the .308. I didn't mean to create a debate, just found it fun that my Texan kept pace with the two center fires (in windless conditions)  Certainly more pleasant to shoot too!
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Re: .308 Texan vs. .308 Remington and .3006 Springfield
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2019, 12:45:30 AM »
Oh, no argument here. A centerfire should outclass a big bore airgun and they do. I was using an old Springfield .3006 that's at least 60 years old and experimental hand loads in the .308. I didn't mean to create a debate, just found it fun that my Texan kept pace with the two center fires (in windless conditions)  Certainly more pleasant to shoot too!

Air rifles outclass manny centerfire combo’s.
Just for one reason.
Most centerfire rifles are equipped with less sights.
So manny times they laugh at you, until the paper comes back to the shooting point.

In this way its true.
And one more comment.
A good big bore or springrifle air gunner, is a better powder shooter.
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Re: .308 Texan vs. .308 Remington and .3006 Springfield
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2019, 10:49:02 AM »
I'm not going to upload a Buch of photos, because we all know the gist of the subject. That said...

I proved the accuracy issue recently at the local gun club with... "Bet you can hit a dime at 100 yards!" I not only hit it, I put a hole clean through it! So much for doubting Thomas'.
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