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New Xisico Compressor initial impressions...
« on: July 30, 2020, 01:42:01 PM »
I received my new Xisico Compressor from Flying Dragon Air Rifles yesterday.  It was packaged well and was smaller than I had expected, which is a good thing.  The first thing I noticed was the shipping label to me was placed on top of another shipping label.  It was sent to Flying Dragon from Travis Whitney, not Xisico.  From what I've read on GTA, apparently Travis is doing the switch from grease to the oil bath.  Having said that, it only came with a half bottle of oil and no instructions as to how much oil to add.  Again, being a member of GTA, I had seen a video on the initial set-up.  The video shows a full bottle of oil and it appears the whole bottle was used. 

This to me is very misleading, and if a consumer was NOT a member of GTA and had NOT seen the video, they could assume that the amount of oil provided is the proper amount needed, and could be running it with only half the required amount of oil.  Again, since there were no instructions included, I don't really don't know how much oil is actually needed to properly fill the crankcase!

I have not tested the compressor yet because I need to get more oil first!  I don't feel comfortable mixing oil since the bottle had no markings other than the hand scribbled word "oil" on the side.  I'll pick up some good synthetic HPA compressor oil and use that instead.

The other thing I found were half the sheet metal screws securing the top of the case had stripped out the sheetmetal, one to the point it could not be removed!  It just spins, so the cover can not be completely removed until that screw is extracted.  It's as if the screws were over torqued when installed or reinstalled.  I have no idea if this occurred at the factory or when the conversion was done, but it's not something a consumer expects to find on a brand new compressor.

I'd like to inject a quick note:  It was obvious the compressor was not opened and inspected by Mike at Flying Dragon, the shipping label was intact and taped over the seam of the top of the box.  I don't fault Mike or Flying Dragon, I just assume he trusted whatever was done to the compressor between factory and him was done correctly.  I have sent him an e-mail to let him know of what I have found thus far…  I feel he needs to know because the uninformed consumer would most likely hold him accountable.  I just want to ensure he knows what's happening so he can address it with the factory.

So, initial thoughts aren't that great.  I had read that Xisico was going to be shipping these already converted to the oil bath, so by purchasing from Flying Dragon, I guess I was expecting to get a factory fresh compressor.  That's wasn't the case, so finding out it wasn't was a little disappointing.  Hopefully, once I get the right amount of good quality oil, I'll have it up and running and will be happy with it's performance.  I have read good things about this compressor, so I have faith things will work out for the best.

UPDATE 1:  I did hear back from Mike at FDAR and he said he'd be adding some instructions on the amount of oil needed in future units.  He also said he should start receiving them direct from Xisico within the next 2-3 weeks.  I probably should have asked before I ordered, but he also told me to be sure to let him know if I have any other issues.  I doubt I will, but it's good to know I purchased from a vendor who will stand behind the product he sells, and is quick to respond to an e-mail from a customer! 👍

UPDATE 2:  I picked up a quart of synthetic HPA Compressor oil and filled it to ¼" below the fill opening, per the set-up video and ran it through the set-up procedure.  All works as advertised!

I added a temperature gauge, jut so I could monitor what's going on.  The compressor doesn't have one, they say it doesn't need one, but heat is the nemesis of all things mechanical, and easily the one thing that will kill a compressor.  And yea, I'm probably annal as well.

In any event, I then filled my ARA Backpacker to 3400 psi.  It ran about 5-6 minutes before it reached pressure and shut down.  As it was getting past the 3000 psi mark you could notice a change in the sound, almost as if it was slowing down just a tad.  It chugged along until it reached the set pressure and shut itself off.  This run topped out at 100.2 degrees. 

For comparison purposes, my Benjamin Recharge would have topped that same tank in probably half the time and the temp would have reached about 55 degrees Celsius (about 131F) so it dies seem to run a bit cooler and the higher speed, water cooled compressors.  The Recharge will reach about 60C (140F) when filling an air gun to 4500 psi and 65C (149F) when filling my 90ci Guppy Tank to around 4300 psi.

So, despite the rocky start, it does run as advertised!  I'll probably swap out the sheet metal screws with some machine screws and JB weld the nuts to the inside lip of the case.  This should make it easier when it comes time to perform any maintenance and will prevent the holes from being stripped any further.


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Re: New Xisico Compressor initial impressions...
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2020, 02:38:20 PM »
Oops! Another fly in the ointment. Too bad this is yet another misstep from the area close to Mt. Shasta! Or is that Mt. Shafta!
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« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2020, 02:59:13 PM »
Awesome report. I'll be looking for your next post on the subject.

Really? Travis is involved? Oh.  :o
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Re: New Xisico Compressor initial impressions...
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2020, 05:03:18 PM »
Yep, I was a bit upset.  Had I just waited a couple weeks, Mike would have had some direct from the factory.  It will be interested to see if there are any issues with those.  I plan on running a lot over the next couple months.  If it's going to break, I want it to do so when it's under warranty.  Mike did tell me to let him know if I have any issues, so I feel confident I'll be taken care of.  I do feel better since I purchased from FDAR, he is very responsive to e-mails and I won't have to worry about dealing with a vendor in another country if there is an issue!
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Re: New Xisico Compressor initial impressions...
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2020, 06:47:32 PM »
I received mine about a week ago.  I got mine from Airgun Archery Fun in Canada.  Didn't want one from CA.  I'm in Honolulu so I pay for shipping for most everything.  I did order and have compressor oil on hand before I received the unit.  I followed the setup/break-in and topped of my 90ci Ninja bottle to 4300 psi after letting the unit cool.  No problems  filling.  Kept an eye on the time to stay within the 20-30 minute continuous run time.
  Been using it everyday to top off my airguns to 250 bar.  Almost 3 hours of total run time including the break-in.  No issues, runs a little cooler now as the unit has broken-in more.  6 to 9 minutes to fill a 480-500CC bottles.
Bought the Xisico for filling airguns.  I have a ShoeBox for my bottles.
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Re: New Xisico Compressor initial impressions...
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2020, 05:04:20 AM »
Good to hear it runs cooler with break-in.  The largest "tank" I'll be filling with it is the Crown, it has  580cc tank on it.  The others are 480cc or less, so it should do fine.  It does have a unique sound, kinda wonka, wonka, wonka...  It doesn't sound like it cycling as fast as the Hatsan Spark, but definitely faster than a hand pump!  Although it does seem to fill faster than the hatsan, so maybe it's pushing a larger volume of air through it.
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Re: New Xisico Compressor initial impressions...
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2020, 12:51:18 PM »
I also filled my Uragan 530CC from zero to 270 bar.  That took about 20 minutes. 
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Re: New Xisico Compressor initial impressions...
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2020, 05:40:31 PM »
Awesome report. I'll be looking for your next post on the subject.

Really? Travis is involved? Oh.  :o

Run one business into the ground, wash hands and then move on to the next........seems to be a theme with him.
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