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Good glass vs. gun upgrades for performance
« on: June 12, 2020, 06:57:01 AM »
I've had somewhat of a change of heart when it comes to expensive scopes. Granted, the term 'expensive' is relative, but for the sake of this thread let's just say the $400 to $800 range. I was bullheaded and steadfast for a long time about the 'need' for expensive scopes. Being an old-school meat hunter living in an area with a nice climate (not hunting in snow, rain, etc.) I was raised with the philosophy that a good ol' 4x scope was fine for everything. Couple that with the flat shooting nature of centerfire and it's tough to contradict that.

However, since getting into ag's I have changed my mind. A lot. Given the fact that any distance past 50 yards generally requires some adjustment (basing that on a cookie cutter .25 pcp airgun) the reliance on the optic is obviously much more. I can honestly say that for my two main guns the upgrade of scopes has increased my range, accuracy, and performance by huge amounts. I learned to get past the 'busy' factor of the tactical reticles and use the tools to my advantage. Couple that with the amazingly clear image and the wide angle, I feel that both of my high-end scopes have upgraded my guns' performance by at least 50% (both the Texan and the Streamline)  I'm making shots that I thought were not possible before or at the very least dumb luck (which I'll take, thank you), but with some practice and a dope chart I'm seeing that they can become routine.

I'm not here to debate brands, reticle style, FFP vs, SFP, or knob turning vs. mildots. Us airgunners spend big money in just about every category. For this shooter it comes down to the amount of money spent in relation to the performance gained. I'm willingly eating my words that scopes don't make a huge difference and I have come to realize (in my opinion) that they do...a lot.  I am curious as to your opinions and examples on the differences that quality glass makes, or doesn't make as the case may be.

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Re: Good glass vs. gun upgrades for performance
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2020, 07:24:01 AM »
I agree.

There are, however, a few different schools of thought when it comes to reticles, SFP-FFP notwithstanding. For example, I abhor some of the available reticles due to their overt-busyness—just to many etchings so suit my taste! It seems like the designers think everyone uses those myriad of lines to their advantage, which I think is wishful thinking. This fact is also evident, in the face of the Element line of scopes popularized by Matt Dubber, All of the three price ranges offered under the brand name Element, have both busy and plain reticles available.

I don't knob twist, but I don't fault those who do. Thus, I would like to see MOA lines more plentiful. In other words, 1/4 lines, not one half MOA lines, if even that in some cases. This applies to horizontal lines too, as most have just one MOA spacings for windage.


ATN's electronic scopes are a harbinger of things to come. Programmed properly, the reticle adjusts much finer than your eye can. The drawback with their version, however, is the messiness of their programming, even when using the BlueTooth laser range finder. Bushnell's answer makes a bit more sense, as the rangefinder is built into the scope. But, the adjustable (programmable) ballistic data isn't fine enough or slow enough, for airguns. The cost is a bit much too.

What do I use? A Hawke Sidewinder, 4X16X50, MOA reticle.
« Last Edit: June 12, 2020, 08:03:26 AM by Alan »
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