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Playing the Devil's advocate towards the Gathering in California 2020
« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2019, 05:44:28 AM »
I trust this will get off to a good start, and completion. Here's why.

Our society is changing, in that public gatherings are not as popular as they once were. They are in fact (in my opinion), on the way out. For example, amateur radio get-togethers, known as Hamfests, have been a very popular activity over the years. And, amateur radio's population has increased almost five fold in the last twenty years. Yet, the number of successful Hamfests have dwindled to near obscurity. I'm sure the Internet and cellphones are two of the main causes, but they're also the two main causes for falloff of other hobbyists' get-togethers. Those that remain are typically attended by the hard core advocates.

As mentioned previously, getting those hard core guys to attend, takes a lot of work, and coordination of more than just one or two folks. I have to hand it to Steve, Kevin, and others, for their drive and enthusiasm. However, the rest of us have to pitch in. I personally am willing to forward (reasonable) monies towards the effort. At this writing, that is about all I can do, due to my personal (family) commitments. So my callout is to all of us members of the Guild. Let's get going, guys!
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Re: L.A.S.S.O. Gathering in California 2020
« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2019, 10:05:38 AM »
Stuff to contemplate and research. On going list for folks to add to.

1. A Date
2. Location -  trying to keep it all under one "roof".
    a. for shooting
    b. for vendors
    c. for food / beverages
    d. for refilling of tanks - perhaps get a compressor sponsor.
    e. porta poddy
    f. look at existing ranges to see if they have the ranges required for L.A.S.S.O.
3. Getting the word out to vendors and attendees
4. Getting the word out to the press - including the big names.
5. Arranging Photography and Video of the event
6. Come up with some graphics for the event so we can have banners on as many airgun related websites as possible
7. Form a board of interested parties to brainstorm
8. Seek out sponsors to help out with reducing overhead in exchange for advertising, product placement etc.
  a. pyramyd
  b. Airgun Depot
  c. JSAR
  d. Nielsen Specialty Ammo and other ammo makers
  e. Airgun Guild
  f. any other forum interested. As I said, Inclusive to benefit the airgun community as a whole.
  g. compressor and tank vendors
  h. Clague, and other moderator manufacturers
  i.  tuners
  j. airforce, crosman, daisy, umarex, fx, big bore manufacturers including and especially the cottage industry
  k. scope manufacturers
  l. fill in the blanks please!
9. Getting three + official L.A.S.S.O. targets made. Some sort of a reset or auto reset if targets like the ones Eric has used.

Talked to Eric Henderson - sounds like he's ok with using the L.A.S.S.O. name and rules as long as they remain the same rules he's been using. I will continue to talk to him, and get ideas he's willing to share.

I'm doing a lot of thinking out loud.  What's clear to me is this will be a huge endeavor, but with a bunch of folks pitching in even tiny bits, will help pull this off. We are stronger together.
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Re: L.A.S.S.O. Gathering in California 2020
« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2019, 04:13:00 PM »
Drove past the Solano County Fairgrounds in Vallejo this morning, and see the horse race track is gone and bulldozed. Wondering what is going in it's place. Occurred to me that this might be a place to have a L.A.S.S.O. Gathering and Airgun Show. They have the land, and they have the infrastructure. So I emailed them to see if there is a possibility of setting up a range, and having a show.  We'll see, and I'll report back.

It's a great location with easy access to the rest of the Bay Area. Plenty of parking, stuff for families to do including Six Flags Discovery Kingdom next door. Napa is just down the road. Vallejo has a ferry back and forth to San Francisco. Nearby hiking trails, the Bay, Mare Island etc.
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Re: L.A.S.S.O. Gathering in California 2020
« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2019, 01:12:59 PM »
Here and there, using Eric Henderson's LASSO pages for inspiration, I'm gathering up ideas, and spitting them out on a plain html page.

I'm highly open to ideas for such events. I guess I'm hoping for a good amount of involvement by others. Tain't a one horse town.

Here's the plain html: http://www.bigboreairguns.net/lasso.html

And here's a big wad of text. Feel free to poke at it. This is just stealing info from bigboreairguns.com/lasso.htm as well as chatting with Eric and getting the latest set of rules from him. Evidently John Bowman and his Scandalous rifle was a bit of a scandal, and the rules have been changed because of this. I do wish we could all the folks previously involved, contributing to a long term discussion.

L.A.S.S.O.- Longrange Airgun Silhouette Shooters Organization
As technology improves and big bore and high power - long range air guns become more available, folks are increasingly buying airguns for hunting small, medium and big game.

L.A.S.S.O. simulates airgun shooting scenarios and helps new and experienced big bore enthusiasts hone their skills so that they can hunt and shoot at varying distances using traditional shooting positions.

There are four basic field shooting positions—standing, kneeling, sitting and prone. Standing is the high position and provides the most mobility. Kneeling and sitting are intermediate positions used to lower your profile and take advantage of cover. The prone position is the lowest and most stable.

Standard Rifle Shooting Positions
Standing - The most difficult of the four positions.
Kneeling - Support one arm on the top of your leg.
Sitting - Support both arms on the inside of your legs.
Prone - The steadiest of the four positions.
There has been a growing interest in long range airgun shooting. With this in mind, I have created this organization for those interested in the sport of long range air gun hunting. This is designed to resemble a hunting situation.

Eric Henderson is the founder of L.A.S.S.O.. His original website with rules and regulations can be found: L.A.S.S.O.
 Bigbore class - .40 and up
 Mediumbore class - .308 - .357
 Smallbore class- .177 and up
Shots will be taken at life size animal silhouettes at ranges from 100-350 yards.

Shooters will have 2 shots and 30 seconds per animal. There will be points for each animal hit. 

 
RULES for LASSO competitors
Must use air provided by LASSO. HPA only(CO2 exempt)
All guns must be racked at beginning of competition. re-sight in is not allowed. (You don't get a chance to do it in the field when hunting. know your aim points!) All racked guns must be unloaded!
You will have 30 seconds to take 2 shots. You will be allowed to range find the target before the timer starts.
You are allowed to use *cross sticks, Bi-pod, tri-pod, or small daypack to use as a rest. Day pack must be worn until timer starts. No bench shooting.
No FT type aids are allowed. (large cushion, harness, vest, special gloves, etc...) a small foam pad is ok.
There is a 10 lb gun weight limit which includes ALL ATTACHED accessories.
You may only load your gun when you are at the firing line. LOADED GUNS MUST BE POINTED DOWN RANGE AT ALL TIMES!
Your gun must be unhooked from your tank. You WILL be able to refill between Targets.
Use of a spotter is not allowed.
You may use any shooting position. Whatever is most accurate.
The firing line must be clear of any shooting accessories before the timer starts.
Judges decision is final.
*cross-Sticks - Cross-stick rests may be any length, but are limited to 1" x 2" in thickness and width, or 1 1/2 in diameter. The sticks must be hinged by bolt so they can pivot. Spikes are limited to 3". One layer of padding is allowed on the sticks. /////////////////////////////////
SCORING POINTS
(BIGBORE)
scroll down for small bore

there will be 3 silhouettes per range

You are allowed 2 shots per target. Points are scored by hitting the target or knocking out the kill zone. knock out the kill zone for max points. Only one knockout is allowed for each target.

For first shot knockout, double the hit points and add it to the knockout points.

no points will be scored for a ground ricochet.

100-150 yard targets
1 point for hitting the silhouette
5 points for knocking out the kill zone
150-200 yard targets
2 point for hitting the silhouette
7 points for knocking out the kill zone
200-250 yard targets
3 point for hitting the silhouette
10 points for knocking out the kill zone
250-300 yard targets
4 point for hitting the silhouette
15 points for knocking out the kill zone
300-350 yard targets
5 point for hitting the silhouette
20 points for knocking out the kill zone
(Medium BORE)
You are allowed 2 shots per target. Points are scored by hitting the target or knocking it over. knock it over for max points. Only one knock over is allowed for each target.

For first shot knock over, double the hit points and add it to the knock over points.

no points will be scored for a ground ricochet.

50-75 yard targets
1 point for hitting the silhouette
5 points for knocking it over
75-100 yard targets
2 point for hitting the silhouette
7 points for knocking it over
100-125 yard targets
3 point for hitting the silhouette
10 points for knocking it over
125-150 yard targets
4 point for hitting the silhouette
15 points for knocking it over
(SMALL BORE)
You are allowed 2 shots per target. Points are scored by hitting the target or knocking it over. knock it over for max points. Only one knock over is allowed for each target.

For first shot knock over, double the hit points and add it to the knock over points.

no points will be scored for a ground ricochet.

50-75 yard targets
1 point for hitting the silhouette
5 points for knocking it over
75-100 yard targets
2 point for hitting the silhouette
7 points for knocking it over
100-125 yard targets
3 point for hitting the silhouette
10 points for knocking it over
125-150 yard targets
4 point for hitting the silhouette
15 points for knocking it over

TARGETS -  LASSO used NRA full size steel rams for targets.


Further reading:

LASSO is obviously highly modeled after the NRA Silhouette Target shooting events:

Official dimension NRA Hunter's Pistol sized Ram silhouette target, made of 3/8" AR500 steel, with welded 4x5" base plates, as specified by the NRA Silhouette Programs. Bases are slotted, allowing the target to be used unwelded or welded, and greatly easing the task of welding. Overall rough target dimensions are: 33x27.5". 

https://competitions.nra.org/media/7825/nra-silhouette-rifle-rulebook.pdf
http://www.rbgc.org/SMALLBORE%20SILHUETTE%20docs/SmallBore%20Silhuette.html
https://competitions.nra.org/competitions/nra-national-matches/national-silhouette-championships/
https://www.ssusa.org/articles/2018/5/24/silhouette-target-shooting/
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2005/10/metallic-silhouette/
http://www.ihmsa.org/index.html

Email silhouette@nrahq.org or call 1-877-672-6282 for more information on the NRA Silhouette Program.
http://compete.nra.org/news-and-events/silhouette-programs.aspx



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Re: L.A.S.S.O. Gathering in California 2020
« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2019, 08:38:25 PM »
What kicks me out of the competition is the 10lbs weight limit. (I know I would not be attending something in Cali anyways) I know of a few factory made rifles that want make the limit. The Hatsan BT Big Bore Carnivore QE Air Rifle comes in at 9.3 without a scope.
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Re: L.A.S.S.O. Gathering in California 2020
« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2019, 08:46:15 PM »
What kicks me out of the competition is the 10lbs weight limit. (I know I would not be attending something in Cali anyways) I know of a few factory made rifles that want make the limit. The Hatsan BT Big Bore Carnivore QE Air Rifle comes in at 9.3 without a scope.

My Texan weighs 12 + pounds with scope and moderator. Personally I do t get the weight limit as you aren’t bench shooting. Standing, kneeling, sitting or prone. I wouldn’t want a heavier rifle for any of these positions.

I asked Eric about this rule and he said if he didn’t make a limit folks would go nuts.

Might just have to make up our own rules.

The rule about only using his air is an issue too because you’d most likely need a gas powered compressor on hand.

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Re: L.A.S.S.O. Gathering in California 2020
« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2019, 09:48:48 PM »
I like the basic structure format. That being said, I see nothing wrong with tweaks here and there to make it more inclusive and easier to pull off. We can always 'soften' some the rules (weight, air, caliber classes, distances, etc.) for an inaugural CA shoot and not call it LASSO, but something else entirely. Personally I think that the most important thing is a gathering of west coast airgun enthusiasts to have fun, interact, and network. Honestly, we can throw down just about any format/course/targets/positions and it's still going to be a fun shoot.

I would focus more on the 'real' portion and start with trying to get a a group of shooters committing to entertaining the idea of attending. If it succeeds and we (I'm assuming to be a volunteer organizer) can take the results and see what we did right, what could be improved, and decide whether it's a one off or we move forward with further events.

Let's keep the ideas coming.
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Re: L.A.S.S.O. Gathering in California 2020
« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2019, 04:26:52 AM »
Weight? I figure if you can carry it, shoot it off hand, and hit a target, it isn't too heavy!

Tweaks indeed! I understand the "AIR" only rule, as helium and nitrogen have an advantage. But only "MY" air? No way!
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Re: L.A.S.S.O. Gathering in California 2020
« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2019, 06:39:24 AM »
If Steveoh and/or others are willing to do something that is unique and similar to LASSO but not an 'official' LASSO event, I could check out some local facilities that may work out beautifully for just such a gathering. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'm not lobbying for something in my backyard (literally and figuratively), but I DO have some connections with owners of ranches that have amazing on-site facilities that have spaces for gun ranges next to cooking, parking, restroom, power, etc.  Some of course are better than others and all are within 20 minutes of town or less with unlimited motel/hotel, all types of dining from fast food to four star, KOA for trailering, etc. 

I think we know that we'd get more folks in SoCal, but if we can't get someone to take the reins and run with it then it should be more local so that we (Steve and I) can organize it. We live within 45 minutes of each other so working together is doable.

So here's my suggestion: Why don't Steve and I put our heads together and try to find a suitable location that's willing to host us. Once we do that, we can figure out the costs logistics and see if it's reasonably doable. If it looks like it's possible, we can start polling to see who's willing to attend and then move on from there. Steve and I are going to be doing a shooting session on May 19th with a fellow we met at Pacific Airgun Expo and another guy from GTA who's a big bore enthusiast. A little round table session over some shooting might advance us along quite a bit.
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Re: L.A.S.S.O. Gathering in California 2020
« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2019, 07:07:07 AM »
Brilliant and pretty much along the lines of what I’m thinking.

I was trying to work out a name for such a similar but different shooting event. Still chewing.

Such an event could be and probably should be inclusive of all airgun calibers.

The field target folks probably have some ideas. We need to attend a couple events to see how they organize.

I agree let’s brainstorm. I’m not at all set on any specific idea, location, etc.

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Re: L.A.S.S.O. Gathering in California 2020
« Reply #26 on: May 07, 2019, 04:01:42 PM »
That looked like a rip-roaring time.
If you ask me, Fresno area would be a good choice for location. About ~4 hours from the bay area and ~4 from the LA basin. I used to buy/haul truckloads of hay around there many, many summers ago. Have since lost contacts down that way.
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