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An Airgun Guild Hunt...any takers?
« on: December 29, 2020, 09:09:23 AM »
I throwing out an idea for some Guild members who may want to do a hunt here in California. There are a few high-fence ranches that have pigs, exotics, etc. that are applicable to airguns. What is NOT certain is the lead issue; I've seen that airguns are welcome but also non-lead ammo is required.

If anyone wants to entertain getting together and doing a hunt at a pay-to-play ranch let's talk about it. There are of course logistics as far as where/which property, time of year, what game to pursue, etc.  The biggest issue is the lead factor. Currently the only way I see us being able to take big game (even on a fenced ranch as I believe that they are not exempt from the lead ban) is with an arrow shooter. I'm willing to do that and I was thinking that if anyone else is interested we can talk about it and see where it goes. Steveoh and I have been kicking around the idea and checking into places, but if anyone else is into it we could possibly do a group thing with a couple of more folks.

Just something to chew on...totally in the tire kicking stage right now.



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Re: An Airgun Guild Hunt...any takers?
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2020, 04:10:45 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2020, 05:23:25 AM »
Thanks for posting that, Loren. If there is ever any hope for airgun big game hunting in lead-free areas this is the path that needs to be explored. Here in CA (as well as a lot of other states currently) airguns can't be used for big game. However, there are exceptions and these are the current set of laws to work under:

1) Lead is banned. Bitch until you're blue in the face but it's not changing. Quit hunting or find an alternative.

2) Airguns can't be used on big game.

3) Airgun driven arrows currently cannot be used on big game.

Of these three, the last one (arrows) is something that one could expect to be seriously considered as a revision immediately. Crossbows are legal and it stands to reason that airguns can deliver an arrow as good or better than a crossbow. That is the current legality, but I digress...

Exceptions are on high fence ranches. No seasons (on exotics and pigs; some have native blacktails and normal game laws apply for them), no license required, and method of take can be airguns. The catch is that to best of my knowledge the lead ban still applies, even on the pay-to-play properties. Arrows are a 'slam dunk' as far as following the law, but lead free bullets are perfectly legal as long as there's a material that won't destroy the barrels.

I don't want to get too far off track back into the politics of lead bans, ag's for big game, etc.  There is a hunting opportunity available in the here-and-now that could work for us airgunners and I'm hoping to take advantage of it. Positives of the high fence scenario are:

1) Airguns can be used for big game with non-lead or arrows

2) Virtual guarantee of seeing game and consequently getting a shot opportunity

3) No pre-scouting or time/money consuming prep work involved. Show up and hunt.

4) Short time frame. Hunt would be a day or two which makes it easy.

I was just thinking that it could be unique and fun, and a way for airgun hunters to get together for a big game hunting experience.

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Re: An Airgun Guild Hunt...any takers?
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2020, 12:18:10 PM »
Airguns can shoot lead in CA. If the ranch requires non lead, then it is the property owner(s) who is requiring it.

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« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2020, 02:01:03 PM »
You know I'm on board with Kevin. I have been chomping at the bit for quite a while now to go big bore airgun hunting for pigs and deer. I see little reason for Fish and Wildlife to deny us the privilege. So many other states have okayed it, and I see no reports of an increase in wounded and suffering animals.

I would imagine that eventually the state will ding us on lead projectiles. But the issue is of course that non-lead is still a big question mark, and what exactly to use to replace lead, and keep accuracy and lethalness.

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Re: An Airgun Guild Hunt...any takers?
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2020, 04:29:08 PM »
As I have suggested previously... Let's get together and convince the fed that we need a ready supply of depleted uranium. Imagine a .25 caliber pellet the size of a 25.39 grainer, weighing in at nearly 43 grains!
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Re: An Airgun Guild Hunt...any takers?
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2020, 02:40:05 AM »
Airguns can shoot lead in CA. If the ranch requires non lead, then it is the property owner(s) who is requiring it.


I'm going to follow up with this. I had wondered the same thing, but I decided to err on the side of caution and not try to look for a loophole. High fence ranches have certain exemptions with seasons, daily limits, etc. so it's entirely possible that what you said is accurate. I will post a follow up after I find out for sure.
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« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2020, 10:58:36 AM »
Your biggest concern should be the use of airguns for big game. It is illegal in Ca. You might want to check to see if you can get an exemption for your situation. Good luck

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« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2020, 05:34:08 PM »
High fence hunts are the exception. Weapon type does not apply, however lead probably does. I will find out for sure.
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« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2021, 10:24:38 PM »
Sounds like an interesting idea. I don't have anything, yet, that I'd be confident taking really any game with but would like the idea of this when I do. I however did want to drop a reply with a snippet from fish and wildlife regarding pellet guns and the lead ban here in California. Calbarry is correct, and that is directly referred to on the fish and wildlife site. If a rancher wants to require unleaded ammunition, that's entirely their decision but as shown here, not required by law for pellet guns.

Fwiw, I did research on this months ago, I didn't just go digging for it now but this is a good time to share.

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https://wildlife.ca.gov/Hunting/Nonlead-Ammunition#25046244-when-does-the-nonlead-ammunition-regulation-take-effect-
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