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General Category => Airgun Clubs and Organizations => Topic started by: GungaDin on January 23, 2020, 06:56:00 AM

Title: New England Airgun
Post by: GungaDin on January 23, 2020, 06:56:00 AM
Airgun range, in Hudson MA
Title: Re: New England Airgun
Post by: Alan on January 23, 2020, 07:21:18 AM
I wish we had an indoor range here in Roswell, but we don't. Rats!
Title: Re: New England Airgun
Post by: GungaDin on January 23, 2020, 04:30:03 PM
If you don't have a back yard you need one in Massachusetts. As far as I know, no public areas to shoot outside, and the gun clubs require you to have an FID or CCW. I don't think they are overall airgun friendly, I know the one my friend belongs to bans steel bbs. MA is NOT an airgun friendly state, but it is not as bad as NJ which classifies airguns as firearms.
Title: Re: New England Airgun
Post by: steveoh on January 23, 2020, 06:08:02 PM
As I drive around my town I keep my eyes peeled for long narrow buildings that might be good to have an indoor range. There is an archery range I need to check out and maybe see if they might consider an Airgun night. Could be fun.
Title: Re: New England Airgun
Post by: Alan on January 24, 2020, 05:24:25 AM
Other issues.

EPA rules make it darn difficult to build a public, indoor shooting range. Lead dust issues, don't you know? Yet, I did do some serious investigation with the purpose of investing in an indoor range as a new venture. The first question... Is there a need? And if so, who is the targeted audience? Will said audience pay the necessary fees to cover the investments costs? I keep coming up with negative numbers for the Roswell, NM area. If you plug in the same data but select say Kerrville, TX, the numbers are barely positive. Select Phoenix, and the positive numbers go through the roof. No wonder there are three, very busy, indoor ranges, in the Phoenix, area.

To comment on Steve's post... Arrows are one thing, pellets are an altogether different beast when it comes to trapping them. This of course, is an aside to the lead and/or alloy dust issues. We know about the toxicity of lead. But tungsten? Inhalation of tungsten carbide dust, can lead to fibrosis. Add cobalt, used in alloys of tungsten, and you get a know human carcinogen! It is a complex issue, and in too many cases, you're butting heads with the EPA. Sort of like pushing a rope!

Allow me to add one more thing. There is a recent EPA study, which indicates that steel, tungsten alloys, bismuth alloys, and copper alloys, are almost as dangerous to waterfowl as lead. I'd bet we never see the results of that study. Any takers?
Title: Re: New England Airgun
Post by: Steelhead on January 24, 2020, 06:28:17 AM
This is a topic that I have pondered (airgun-specific place to shoot) for a while, as I'm sure just about everyone has at one time or another. While I am blessed with a number of properties from my yard to within a 15 minute drive from which I can shoot, most aren't that fortunate.

Reading the comments above, it's apparent that WHERE you live is a huge factor from weather (requiring indoor) to legality, to available area with which to have a range.

Where I live in NorCal, it's farm land and dairy country surrounded by fairly large communities with metropolitan areas (San Francisco) within a 45 minute drive. As far as getting enough people to sign up, my opinion is if it can't be done here it can't be done anywhere. There are a few million people within an hour's drive of me. Here's what I've come up with as factors:

1) The range would have to be outdoor. Indoor is EPA nightmare nor is it cost effective given the commercial property value here.
2) The range would have to be private/members only. Liability would be a major factor and controlling who and when the range is used would be required.
3) Environmental issues. More than half of the farmland around my area is certified organic. A range where lead is deposited would never fly. You can't even used pressure-treated fence posts.
4) On a positive note, there are innumerable ranches/locations close by that would be perfect. All easily accessible from major freeways.
5) Membership covering the cost of leasing the space. Land is extremely valuable here and used for a variety of things. One thing is that I think is a positive is that a range is really easy on the land vs. farming, cattle, etc.  A land owner can basically make some $'s without a lot of the variables of agricultural use.
6) Liability. The biggest factor. How can a land owner be protected against a lawsuit and how could a club get insurance so that a landowner would even consider it?

I currently hunt and shoot in areas that could accommodate an airgun range. Armed with a game plan and my ducks in a row with costs, insurance, etc. I could probably make something happen if it was deemed possible. That being said, I would need a lot of help and backing by folks who are smarter than I at the legal/business end of things. If others in the area would be interested I would entertain the idea of searching and seeing what could be done.
Title: Re: New England Airgun
Post by: Alan on January 24, 2020, 09:47:48 AM
And that's the point, isn't it Kevin?

My research indicated, that only eight new "public" ranges were opened in 2017. All were outdoors, which speak volumes. The only "indoor" range I have any financial numbers on, was build in 1972. The cost then was just over $270,000 including the retail space built over the range. That's about $500,000 in today's dollars. However, with current building and EPA codes, the cost would exceed $1,000,000. That kind of investment is hard to amortize under today's anti-gun, legislative, sentiment.

And like you, Kevin, I have less than a 10 minute drive to fertile hunting grounds. The "range" is wherever you set up the target stand! We are blessed Kevin!
Title: Re: New England Airgun
Post by: GungaDin on January 24, 2020, 09:49:42 AM
EPA rules make it darn difficult to build a public, indoor shooting range. Lead dust issues, don't you know?
Yup, the owner of New England Airgun ran in to that too hence
Our range can handle .177 .22 and .25 calibers of lead-free ammunition. (this includes plastic bb's used in airsoft and metal bb's common in bb-guns.)
Title: Re: New England Airgun
Post by: Dcorvino on January 24, 2020, 10:01:34 AM
Thanks for posting about New England Airgun.
Great place to check out
John has a nice selection of Airguns to try and purchase
Definitely recommend them If your in the area