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General Airgun Forum Discussion / Re: 2018 Fall Fun Shoot
« Last post by caniborrowsomeammo on November 14, 2018, 06:05:20 PM »
Hoooo Boy, I forgots all about the shindig.
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General Airgun Forum Discussion / Re: 2018 Fall Fun Shoot
« Last post by Steelhead on November 14, 2018, 05:18:49 PM »
No, we didn't do it. To be honest there wasn't a ton of interest and things also got busy for me. If guys were all geeked up for a get together I would have done it, but that wasn't the case.

That being said, I can pretty much shoot whenever so if you feel like coming over to the range sometime just give me a jingle.
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Alan's Corner / I guess I’m spoiled!
« Last post by Alan on November 14, 2018, 03:26:07 PM »
Manufacturers of weaponry, have always stressed safe handling, and rightly so. There are many aspects of safe handling, but one which they seemingly dwell on, is accidental discharges. One of the ways they prevent them, is to supply some of the lousiest trigger dynamics imaginable! This fact seems to be a universal quality (no matter the type of weaponry), but is especially true of low-cost airguns, where single stage triggers are the norm.

Making matters worse, they often supply incomplete and/or non-existent instructions on how to (re)adjust the factory trigger settings. While some of this is a result of their litigation strategy, in my opinion they miss the boat! The reason is, uninformed users often mess with the factory trigger settings, without really understanding what the adjustment do, or more importantly, what they can do if adjusted incorrectly!

As I stated above, I’m spoiled, as my W.A.R. Cobra is equipped with a Timney, Calvin Elite trigger group. Like all Timney triggers, they come pre-adjusted for a specific weight of pull, creep, and over travel. But that fact is not the point, per sé! Rather it’s the fact that W.A.R. designed the airgun to use a specific, after-market trigger group, albeit factory supplied. Those not familiar with the term trigger group. It means the trigger handle, sear, safety, and other requisite parts are in one complete sub assembly.

A valid argument could be made at this point, that designing a low-cost airgun to be fitted with an after-market trigger group like the Timney would cost extra, but I believe it wouldn’t.

The pictorial below is a section of the break-out view for a Benjamin Marauder. The trigger assembly (inside the red circle) is really a trigger group! In other words, all in one! It is feasible that Timney could design and manufacture a trigger group for the Marauder series (and other Benjamin airguns), if the market was there. Considering the number of Benjamin airguns using this same same trigger group, it certainly is a large market place. Adding more credence, H.A.M. (http://hardairmagazine.com) recently posted a video of how to adjust a Umarex Gauntlet trigger (https://hardairmagazine.com/news/how-to-adjust-the-umarex-gauntlet-trigger-travis-shows-us-how/). If you watched that video, you’d also note the Gauntlet does have a trigger group.

The question remains, why would one want to add a trigger group which costs are much as the airgun did in the first place? Well, I guess I could bring up the same argument about a telescopic sight! But the truth remains, the single one item, most conducive to accuracy, is a smooth, crisp, and repeatable trigger pull!

Enough said.
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General Airgun Forum Discussion / Re: 2018 Fall Fun Shoot
« Last post by Shifty99 on November 14, 2018, 11:17:20 AM »
Did you guys make it happen?  Wish I could have made it!
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PCP, C02, and Helium Powered Airguns / Re: Evanix .30 rainstorm modification
« Last post by Bullfrog on November 14, 2018, 08:12:49 AM »
The heavy triggers, moreso than my previous bad experience with other aspects or the RS, is whats stopping me from experimenting with newer models of Evanix guns. I don’t want to get one out of the box with such a heavy trigger.
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Big Bore Airguns / Re: Got a new favorite
« Last post by Steelhead on November 13, 2018, 07:38:15 PM »
The entry level/first airgun concept is close to home for me, because my .308 is the first PCP I bought. Added two more since (sold one), but it was the Texan that got me into the hobby deep. It was extremely frustrating and the learning curve was much steeper (I'm only at base camp now) than I had thought. But I persevered and have a fairly good shooting gun with room to improve.

The cool thing is that shooting big bore gave me a real appreciation for small bore. The pinpoint accuracy, regulated power, no recoil, quiet, lightweight, and limited air usage are all things that either don't exist or aren't a given in a big bore. A lot of the things I see and do in the airgunning hobby are firsts. I've only been messing with it for about a year and a half. I say this because I like what you were saying about appealing to newcomers. There's a lot of good and bad info out there, and folks with a vested interest in whether you purchase a product or not. I get it; I build and sell shooting chairs and I'm not shy about dropping my info here or there. But it's a lot to wade through for someone just dipping their toe. It's good that we keep the newcomers in mind along with all of the high tech minutia that we obsess over. Keep up the good work.
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PCP, C02, and Helium Powered Airguns / Re: Evanix .30 rainstorm modification
« Last post by oneshot61 on November 13, 2018, 07:03:59 PM »
It was very heavy when I received it. It was making it hard for me to get good groups. I lightened it up and it really transformed the gun. It’s easy to lighten too much though and not have the safety work or be able to cock it.
 I must say, I’m a real fan of your videos. Lives in nw Florida for many years, lots of great hunting opportunities there. Nice to have the capability now to take more game with an Airgun.
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PCP, C02, and Helium Powered Airguns / Re: Evanix .30 rainstorm modification
« Last post by Bullfrog on November 13, 2018, 06:09:25 PM »
The DonnyFLs are nice. I have 2, a Shogun on my .30 Flex Carbine and an Emperor on my long Flex.

How's your trigger? Several years ago I had a bad experience with a Rainstorm bullpup. Loved the inner design of the gun but hated some of the internal parts (soft metal) and also hated the trigger until I reshaped the sear. Is your trigger heavy out of the box?
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Big Bore Airguns / Re: Got a new favorite
« Last post by Bullfrog on November 13, 2018, 04:07:16 PM »
Very cool video...nicely done. It's good to know that my gun can shoot pellets if needed. Your use of the Texan is different than most who post. Most (me included) are focused on long range, however you're main deal seems to be 50 yards or a little further. The other thing is that you are centered on hunting, not just paper punching. A fresh dose of reality is sometimes needed when talking about long range airguns and their practical purpose. Just because the gun can group at long range, that doesn't mean that it's practical to take game EASILY and ETHICALLY at long range. There's not always time to pull the range finder, refer to the dope chart, find the perfect rest, etc.to make a long shot. I believe you said you were looking at 75 yards as a max range and that should eliminate any need for holdovers.

Looking at your groupings I'm somewhat relieved to see that I get similar results (with slugs...never shot pellets)  Granted it's been a while since I've shot at 50 yards. I would love to see your results at 100 yards. That FOR ME is somewhat of the standard with which I've been basing my accuracy on. It's unreasonable to expect pellets to perform well at that distance (although they might), but I'm interested to see how it groups slugs.

Thank you for taking the time to make the video. It's good for me to see what the gun can do when not obsessed with long range accuracy. Lower power/shorter distance is not something that really applies to me here in CA as we cannot big game with AG's. Since versatility isn't an issue (I use my .25 Streamline for squirrels/turkeys) I don't need the filed options of high/low power.

 As a side note, have you shot 44 gr. round balls through it yet? At the shorter ranges that you're implementing (and lower power settings) I'm curious how they perform. I had some success with sub-100 yards but I was shooting them too fast and cracking. They may shoot as good or better than pellets.

I did have a 100 yard range set up from my shooting table, but it requires I shoot over a drain (a creek) that covers from about 60 to 75 yards out down my range. No big deal, except this summer it was so wet I couldn't mow that drain and the wire grass closed off my shooting range. I may open it back up with a weed eater this weekend and shoot some groups on my 100 yard gong.

My main target for the information I'm putting out there are first time big bore airgun hunters. Many Florida hunters with lots of hunting experience but no airgun experience beyond their childhood pellet guns are looking hard at big bore airguns for the first time. The common theme I keep seeing is the desire to get one gun that can do most of what they'd want to do with the gun, which generally covers small game hunting, coon and hog control, and deer hunting, as well as having fun hitting targets in the back yard (which here, back yards are usually rural enough to accommodate extensive shooting). They want a utility gun that can also be a fun toy, in other words. Something that's practical enough for them to justify the $1500 or more they're going to spend to get into the hobby. That's why a .30 pellet/.308 bullet hybrid gun excites me so. Its also what I've wanted for many years, an all purpose hunter. Its just that now I have enough airguns myself I don't really "need" one gun that does it all. But still the possibility of finding such a gun is exciting.

I also think this hybrid aspect of the .308 SS is completely a happy accident that Airforce wasn't even aware of. When I was having the issue with my tank being loose and it unknowingly throwing off my accuracy, I was hosting a deer hunt for Brian (airgunner.usa) with his .308 Slayer (the gun that won Extreme Bench Rest in its category this year). When the gun was spraying he texted someone at Airforce and Airforce's response was that we probably ought to use heavy ammo as that's what the gun was designed for. After we figured out the issue was the loose tank my groups tightened back up. So I don't think Airforce is even aware they have a decent pellet shooter on their hands.
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