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Alan's Corner / Re: I have a question?
« Last post by bnowlin on Today at 04:12:36 PM »
Reusable ballistic gel has been around for several years. The chunk I bought is about half its original size, but still usable, albeit sort of dirty-gray. Remelting and pouring it back into a mold is messy, and time consuming. (https://www.amazon.com/Ballistic-Solution-Synthetic-Clear-Ballistics/dp/B0108CHZXY/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1532293704&sr=8-3&keywords=ballistic+gel)

About 2 years ago, I bought a package of green florist foam. I'm sure most folks are aware of it, as it retains moisture. Turns out, it sort-of acts like flesh, in that is shows entrance and exit damage, as well as internal damage you can see if you slice it open with an X-acto knife. (https://www.amazon.com/Floral-Blocks-Florist-Styrofoam-applied/dp/B079828SPB/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?ie=UTF8&qid=1532293859&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=florist+foam&psc=1)

I'm the first to admit it is NOT flesh, and the wound channel isn't what I would call natural, like ballistic gel is supposed to be(?). But Bullfrog pointed out to me (which I sort of agree with), that the skirt of a pellet causes most of the wound channel in an animal (for me, birds for the most part!). So today, even though it is in the 100s°, I shot a couple of the blocks at about 50 yards. The pellet went through the block, but hit the backstop almost perpendicular to the flight path. Perhaps Bullfrog is on to something?

Surely (no, that's not your name!), someone else on this forum has tried other material besides ballistic gel (clay?), and I'd like to know what material was used?



Alan,

You mean the pellets didn't melt before they got there?  105 here today can't even breath outside.
Bobn
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Alan's Corner / I have a question?
« Last post by Alan on Today at 02:20:23 PM »
Reusable ballistic gel has been around for several years. The chunk I bought is about half its original size, but still usable, albeit sort of dirty-gray. Remelting and pouring it back into a mold is messy, and time consuming. (https://www.amazon.com/Ballistic-Solution-Synthetic-Clear-Ballistics/dp/B0108CHZXY/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1532293704&sr=8-3&keywords=ballistic+gel)

About 2 years ago, I bought a package of green florist foam. I'm sure most folks are aware of it, as it retains moisture. Turns out, it sort-of acts like flesh, in that is shows entrance and exit damage, as well as internal damage you can see if you slice it open with an X-acto knife. (https://www.amazon.com/Floral-Blocks-Florist-Styrofoam-applied/dp/B079828SPB/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?ie=UTF8&qid=1532293859&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=florist+foam&psc=1)

I'm the first to admit it is NOT flesh, and the wound channel isn't what I would call natural, like ballistic gel is supposed to be(?). But Bullfrog pointed out to me (which I sort of agree with), that the skirt of a pellet causes most of the wound channel in an animal (for me, birds for the most part!). So today, even though it is in the 100s°, I shot a couple of the blocks at about 50 yards. The pellet went through the block, but hit the backstop almost perpendicular to the flight path. Perhaps Bullfrog is on to something?

Surely (no, that's not your name!), someone else on this forum has tried other material besides ballistic gel (clay?), and I'd like to know what material was used?
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OFF TOPIC / Re: Miserable
« Last post by Bullfrog on Today at 11:44:05 AM »
Our whitetails on the peninsula are very much like your Columbia Blacktails. Small and very secretive. The average weight of our does is around 70lbs and bucks go 120-140lbs. Some of the richer farmland can produce larger deer.

My blueberry farm is 40 acres when taken into the aggregate (my brother owns the north 10 acres and I own the south 30). I'm surrounded by hundreds of acres of pine flat woods and bay tree swamps on all sides and I'm 1 mile off of a river. My blueberries draw deer from all around. Like much of north Florida, the buck to doe ratio is very skewed. An actual scientific number doesn't exist, but an eyeball estimate combined with low breeding results would indicate its 8 or 10 to 1 in favor of does. That's due to about a century of prohibition of doe harvest in Florida as well as poaching practices that kill bucks of all sizes and often spare does of breeding age (so they make another generation of bucks of the poacher in his territory). Thus, I have virtually no bucks on my farm for most of the year. Poaching is very bad around here. Some people in north Florida still have a pioneer mentality. Which would be fine if they only took what they needed to live off of. But a lot of the local poachers kill 20 or more deer a year and trade some of the meat for cash, drugs, or other commodities.

Things are also complicated by the fact that many localities in Florida don't have a defined rut, and the ones that do can vary from each other by several months. The rut in south Florida is in July. Around here its November. just SW of me its August. And then where the does are out of balance there's too many does to breed so some get missed and they come back into heat again and again until they get bred. That causes fawns to get dropped individually thruout the summer and they become easier pickings for coyotes or bear.

Its not all bad though. Its a meat hunter's paradise. I expect to put about 10 in my freezer this year and I'll be living on venison for many, many, months. Does can be harvested thruout archery season and during a small window in rifle season. There's no seasonal bag limit. 2 deer a day every day of the season, only one can be a doe during the doe harvesting periods.
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I seriously have to get my Armada fixed. I'm jealous. You know the range I have set up at my house; it ain't being used right now. I haven't shot the Texan because a) I took the suppressor off to use the Witt's m.b. so it's booming at full throttle, and b) I want the deer to stay nice and calm until I can (hopefully) make a harvest. The .25 Armada is supposed to be filling that role. Granted I've been shooting the break barrel a little but it's not the same. 

You're also making me rethink my plan for my next airgun. Nice shooting. Kind of nice and easy using a killer rest with no tables, folding chairs, bags, or sticks huh? ;)
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PCP, C02, and Helium Powered Airguns / Messing around with Marauder
« Last post by steveoh on Today at 08:53:01 AM »
I’ve been stupid busy with summer activities, chores, working on the trucks, and work. Have had no time for AirGuns. Yesterday I got a quiet few minutes and dashed in the shop to pull out the Squirrel Chair, I mean Born Wild Chair and the Marauder. Loaded up three mags, looked at the gauge and saw that it’s held pressure for weeks.

Pointed at the first rat feed station 25 yards away and emptied the three magazines. No muss, no fuss, and I had the BSA Scope set to 8x. I hardly tried for a good group.

24 JSBs (air-arms equivalent that is) into one ragged hole. No doubt that hole might have been half the size if I’d actually gave it my full attention. Awesome rifle.
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OFF TOPIC / Re: Miserable
« Last post by Steelhead on Today at 08:28:33 AM »
LOL...I totally get it. I have an ancient ungroomed apple orchard in my backyard. I have to watch deer feeding 25' from my bedroom window everyday. Currently two adult does each with twin fawns. Last year's twin spikes have moved off to other territories. I haven't seen a buck here in two months. Not surprising...they're bachelored up and borrowed into a draw somewhere. Last year was like that too. Our opening day is the second Saturday in August for rifle (archery is open now, but I don't bow hunt), and last year I didn't see a buck until the 4th week of the season. Then I was covered up in bucks for the last couple of weeks of the season.

I'm hoping that the two bruisers I saw the week after season closed will a) still be alive, and b) make a mistake and pop out earlier this year. We hunt pre-rut here and it makes it tough because the deer don't move. Last year there were two bucks that were way bigger than my PB that were chasing does around. One a smallish 4x4 with eye guards and the other an amazingly wide gnarled and twisted 2x3. Either of these would be beyond my wildest dreams for a home-turf Columbian Blacktail. My private hunting areas are OK and most guys would sell their first born for the access, but in relation to the surrounding properties it is average at best. More appropriate for cattle than hunting. That being said, I'm very fortunate to have three different places that range from my house to 15 minutes away.

My only selfish regret is that airguns are not legal in CA for taking big game. I've had so much practice with my big bore that it would be a chance of a lifetime (that's not an exaggeration) to take a PB blacktail with the Texan. I have some great spots top set up too that would allow me to have a sub 100 yard shot. Oh well. The new Remington .308 hasn't drawn first blood yet either so I guess I'll just have to 'settle' for that.

Below is a pic I took last year when I was picking blackberries. The buck is that big gnarled 3x2. Can't see his points through the grass, but the fact that you can't speaks volumes. He's wiiiiide.

Stay cool.
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Alan's Corner / Re: Terminal Ballistics of pellets
« Last post by Alan on Today at 04:09:32 AM »
I would tend to agree with your assumption. Especially so when we take into account that pellets are both spin and drag stabilized. Body flesh and fluids are certainly thicker than air, which could cause a wobble (nutation) once the pellet hits its target, thus allowing the skirt to do even more damage. A high speed camera would certainly prove the scenario.
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Alan's Corner / Re: Terminal Ballistics of pellets
« Last post by Bullfrog on July 21, 2018, 09:22:09 PM »
I agree that round nose probably has the superior terminal ballistics, but for different reasons. My take, after killing a lot of larger game, is that the primary damage comes from the pellet's skirt cutting the flesh in a 360 cut as the pellet flies and spins thru. If I'm correct, that would explain while non-deforming 31 gn, .25 Barracudas and 81 gn .357 JSBs can be so deadly on lung shots. Neither pellet deforms in any significant way and offers superior penetration to softer pellets that deform as they pass. After shooting rigid pellets like that into ballistics gel, the boat-prop wound channel I get seems consistent with the skirt cutting as it goes.

So under my theory, the superior pellet in many circumstances will be the one with a rigid, non deforming body that will maximize both penetration and retained shape of the skirt and forward directional travel of the pellet.

I don't discount that expanding or deforming pellets can be deadly. But I think the expanding of a pellet's head is is a different phenomenon all together than the cutting caused by the skirt. An expanding pellet (or a bullet for that matter) is cutting and/or ripping as it goes, but its a very different kind of wound than what a pellet's skirt is making.

In small game, I generally want an expanding pellet. In large game, I want deep penetration and a cavity that looks like a cookie cutter has been ran thru the lungs.
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OFF TOPIC / Re: Miserable
« Last post by Bullfrog on July 21, 2018, 08:48:04 PM »
I left Florida for California and there is very little about the sunshine that I miss. The heat and humidity just about killed me. When I left I worked for city government and had to wear a coat and tie. Only a damn yankee would create and enforce such a rule in August.

I also have to wear a suit and tie and it is miserable. I enjoy the heat and humidity on some level just because it defines home for me. Being in the woods though can be very miserable this time of year. And I now live in the woods so I really feel it.

I ended up sitting on the stand this evening. It turned out to be an OK evening. By the time the clouds rolled out the sun was low so it stayed somewhat cool. I didn't see a deer until I walked back to the house. I have one street light above a shed that overlooks the pond in my front yard and I keep a clothes line there for hanging my hunting clothes on between hunts. There was a doe staring at me from the edge of the light as I was hanging my ghillie. Figures I spent about 8 hours on the stand today and I had to walk home to see a deer.
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Hajimoto's Airgun Annex / Re: Shooting on the fly (Video)
« Last post by steveoh on July 21, 2018, 05:38:18 PM »
Hahaha, that was sweet! Love the 3 Stooges punch. I’m still giggling.
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