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Big Bore Airguns / Re: .257@Extreme Distances
« on: January 08, 2018, 09:57:30 PM »
I have 2 TJ barrels and are NOT ACCURATE. The Lothar BBLS are for pellets and .250" bore I believe and are choked so Lothar are not what you want..Doug Noble has some (TJ) and work for him and others have them too.. Is why I went to premium barrel as both mine the bore was not drilled straight, but then premium bbl has to be machined and fitted to work in Condor Frame. Airguns are NOT like Powder Rifles.....I shot F-Class to 1000 yds for years and No air rifle will give moa accuracy CONSISTENTLY at 400-500 yds, or mine don't. I can bang the steel easily on the RAMS at 500 meters, but paint white and see hits, and have shot moa but then shoot a group all over the steel.....I can  break CLAYS at 550-600 yds easily BUT Shoot  close with a lot of misses too?

I always shoot regulated off bench through external regulator. I got mine here http://www.airtanksforsale.com/  Need to scroll down 60% of page to see and have to call to order........Like $500.....For my 85 gr and 92  gr I use 3500 psi, and have 4350 psi CF TANKS..Lighter bullets I use less or what ever your barrel is best accuracy at. Mine was 92 gr 1005 fps, 85 gr 1025 fps, 74 gr 1050 fps......

Doug Noble for VALVE, HAMMER, Spring is about another $350. Doug's e-mail is   
Doug Noble (dyotat100@aol.com)

Carl


Hi Mr Carl I have been inspired by your condor big time! Long range shooting is my forte but....now I would like to carry it over to airguns instead of firearms. I'm newish to airguns after buying and modding a few and realizing there potential for power accuracy and how quiet they could be I am obsessed. It's way more of a challenge to shoot air rifles long range then buying a firearm and understanding moa's and using a ballistic calculator. My goal is to turn a condor into a long range airgun (up to 400-500yds with at LEAST moa accuracy.) I had a few questions if you don't mind. I will buy a condor this thursday. Can I use a .257 tj barrel or lothar Walther and get moa to even possibly sub moa accuracy? I understand you use a firearm precision rifle barrel is that necessary? Im very confused on how you get accuracy up to 1100 yds either unregulated because of the difference in elevation with your es or where you can get a regulator to allow a high enough bar for you to shoot at the speeds you need. If a regulator which one and which bar is it set to? Also if I want to shoot up to 400 yds with accuracy what would I need a certain fps? I am trying to contact Doug Noble hopefully I can find a way soon to contact him.

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Long Range Shooting with Airguns / Re: 1000 yd Accuracy-.45 Texan-Video
« on: December 20, 2017, 10:09:39 PM »
Impressive.......as always.

Thanks for sharing,
Chris

Thank  You for commenting and  kind words......................Carl

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Long Range Shooting with Airguns / Re: 1000 yd Accuracy-.45 Texan-Video
« on: December 20, 2017, 10:08:36 PM »
That is Amazing!! I keep seeing it and still Im amazed!!

Thank You. I have to admit after shooting powder rifles 67 years and started a quest for LONG RANGE AIR POWERED,  it even amazes me what a single PUFF OF AIR can do.......It wasn't easy or cheap getting there but is possible. Inputting my MAX air pressure  values in ballistic software, THE MAX RANGE MY GUN WILL SHOOT A SLUG, specifically my 412 grain with bbl at 35* elevation the bullet carries downrange to 2539 yds or 1.44 miles, and reaches a height of over a mile at 5340 ft and TOF is 37 seconds. Just info of what is POSSIBLE. Probably couldn't drop into an acre of land but I find it interesting anyway..........Thanks for commenting...

Carl

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Long Range Shooting with Airguns / 1000 yd Accuracy-.45 Texan-Video
« on: December 15, 2017, 10:27:08 PM »
Shot this first part of October 2017.  People ask why don't you show firing of gun......I do here 2 shots full screen and then attempt to have Pic in Pic showing firing and camera at impact. IMO small portion is useless as target so far away one sees nothing.......Except staying on scope at least 4 seconds to see dust if hitting dirt??  Also at end give perspective of me standing beside that 24"  wide plate..... Pretty small for target with an airgun at 1000 yards believe me...........

Comments welcomed................Carl


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Long Range Shooting with Airguns / Texan Shooting Half Mile-885 yds Video
« on: November 22, 2017, 09:27:50 PM »
Hi All,

Some extended range with my much modified Texan

Carl


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Big Bore Airguns / Re: 900+ fpe-45 Texan-New Doug Noble Valve-VIDEO
« on: September 13, 2017, 09:26:23 PM »
Doug has a career, a family and a life. He does airgun stuff on the side as he has lathe, mill, welders etc..........He likes experimenting and doing something NEW. Repetitive stuff bores him eventually, as it does all creative people. ......He was interested in my project and is why he built the horsepower for TEXAN as no one had done it as well as  he did..........He really doesn't take orders to work on guns. What he does do is for some friends, or those who purchased his .257 valve and have a problem, he helps. He still sells his .257 valve, I have 3 of them too. Several years ago he did build some .257's for people and he had some for a couple of years. He told me he was going to get the last of that stuff gone and wanted to build  stuff for himself he thought up........So NO he doesn't take orders to fix/repair stuff.   

He works in the FILM INDUSTRY and works at times some very odd and extremely LONG HOURS and weekends......But also at times has a week or more off to do things HE WANTS TO DO or family things...But isn't in the repair business.........

Thanks for Kudos........It was a joint effort between us and the TEXAN...I had my vision, Doug provided the horsepower and had some suggestions after I started shooting it........It turned  out very well.....Looks good,  has more than enough horsepower and I shoot throttled down to 3500 psi and makes 760 fpe off benchrest shooting and is very accurate for and airgun.....Gun will probably show up at the AOA 200 yd EBR BENCHREST in OCT???

Carl

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Big Bore Airguns / Re: 900+ fpe-45 Texan-New Doug Noble Valve-VIDEO
« on: September 12, 2017, 04:33:07 PM »
Absolutely amazing.....you never cease to impress. Really nice looking rig you got there, all custom I'm assuming?

Thanks for sharing,
Chris

Thanks. I really like things to work very well......I have stretched all in my life all the time...............Yes rifle is total custom........Nothing but frame and trigger in it are stock....Actually the hammer TUBE was airforce too......Everything was ordered or procured by me and DOUG NOBLE built the horsepower with his valve. Also his 125 gram hammer which is about .6" longer than stock, and works at minimum PW, actually takes up slop of stock form, so lots left  if needed.

Pics of gun I took 2 weeks ago.Click and will ENLARGE

Carl

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Big Bore Airguns / Re: 900+ fpe-45 Texan-New Doug Noble Valve-VIDEO
« on: September 08, 2017, 07:26:31 PM »
Man, that's a lot of power for an airgun!


Hi all,

This is with AIR ONLY. Accurate Chrono mounted at same angle as barrel for CORRECT READINGS......Not fake ### as has been represented on web recently........ Click low right of VIDEO for FULL SCREEN
https://youtu.be/444ZPBPUmnU

Carl

Yes it is but MAX PRESSURE was used ONLY to find what max fpe was............I use it around 3500 psi and it pushes 412 gr at 895 fps, 383 gr at 915 fps and 454 gr at 865 fps and are accurate, and is the real beauty of this valve........

Carl

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Big Bore Airguns / 900+ fpe-45 Texan-New Doug Noble Valve-VIDEO
« on: September 07, 2017, 10:27:10 PM »
Hi all,

This is with AIR ONLY. Accurate Chrono mounted at same angle as barrel for CORRECT READINGS......Not fake ### as has been represented on web recently........ Click low right of VIDEO for FULL SCREEN
https://youtu.be/444ZPBPUmnU

Carl

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Long Range Shooting with Airguns / Re: Texan 308 world recored
« on: July 30, 2017, 04:54:32 PM »
I shot the Hunter Supply bullet this weekend.  I shot it in a Slayer with the same twist barrel with a different tune that Texan but close enough for sure.  I am going to post the data here and I am sure Bob will do the honors.  I did not have internet, or even text, over the weekend where we were hunting so I have not calculated it yet but I did get an idea of roughly where it is. 

So I only recorded 6 shots because they were so close I knew they are good numbers and the BC testing we are doing is to see if the bullet is a magnitude better than all the other bullets on the market, not to get a BC that we can use to calculate drop and moa with.  I did take more shots than what I recorded and they were all the same fps loss from muzzle to 50 yards.

Muzzle/50 yard fps     fps loss
691/674          17
704/683          21
696/677          19
688/664          24
686/666          22
688/665          23

Altitude 3925 feet
Temp 95 deg F
Baro Pres 27.06 in hg
Wet/Dry Bulb 63.3/42.9
Humidity 18.0 %

Using the JBM BALLISTIC CALCULATOR, the average of 21 fps lost over 150 ft/50 yds calculates to .175 B.C. at the speed they were shot..........

Carl

Carl, was that a G1 BC?  Did you calculate the G1 and G7.  He used a G7 calculator so we need a G7 BC.  He stated he used .271 in a G7 calculator.

That would be G1.................Carl

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Long Range Shooting with Airguns / Re: Texan 308 world recored
« on: July 30, 2017, 04:22:19 PM »
I shot the Hunter Supply bullet this weekend.  I shot it in a Slayer with the same twist barrel with a different tune that Texan but close enough for sure.  I am going to post the data here and I am sure Bob will do the honors.  I did not have internet, or even text, over the weekend where we were hunting so I have not calculated it yet but I did get an idea of roughly where it is. 

So I only recorded 6 shots because they were so close I knew they are good numbers and the BC testing we are doing is to see if the bullet is a magnitude better than all the other bullets on the market, not to get a BC that we can use to calculate drop and moa with.  I did take more shots than what I recorded and they were all the same fps loss from muzzle to 50 yards.

Muzzle/50 yard fps     fps loss
691/674          17
704/683          21
696/677          19
688/664          24
686/666          22
688/665          23

Altitude 3925 feet
Temp 95 deg F
Baro Pres 27.06 in hg
Wet/Dry Bulb 63.3/42.9
Humidity 18.0 %

Using the JBM BALLISTIC CALCULATOR, the average of 21 fps lost over 150 ft/50 yds calculates to .175 B.C. at the speed they were shot..........

Carl

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Long Range Shooting with Airguns / Re: Texan 308 world recored
« on: July 28, 2017, 09:57:38 AM »
Well if he has the MOA in the scope mounts that it looks like he has, then there is no way he can zero at 100 yards than click out to 1100 yards. Just not enough clicks in the scope.

David said he has the Cold Shot 300 moa scope mount rail.......I used  that too and for my last video of last year I used 298 moa or close to it to get to 1108 yds and be right on middle crosshairs in scope....I had more mil dots and 25 moa i scope available if needed............He had the necessary equipment to get elevation.. Using a G7 model for the .271 BC he relies on is flat wrong, or numbers that model gave him. I will tell you having calculated MY OWN BC ###'s shooting thru 2 Chrony's at same time, even then those bc TEND TO BE SHORT in moa needed the further  distance shot.  2 1/2 yrs of constant airgun and cast lead bullets I CAST, shot at distances in 100 yd intervals to 1108 yds, I will guarantee the bullet he is shooting has no better flight characteristics than ones i did shoot. Except the fact it is heavier and that does help to a point but it will slow down over that distance by 400-500 fps and that is where he doesn't get it.......May be and probably is for his BBL a good bullet but has no magic qualities. Nick will have Lab Radar ## soon

Carl

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Carl can you tell us a little about your gun build and do you use a spotter?

When I did the 1065 yd video in 2015 my friend was in the pits at 1000 yds. He with binoculars checking the steel plate 65 yds up the hillside and radioed back to me. I tried this ONCE as he has been with me at little shorter distance video's and you CAN'T see impacts on plate.  I have for my 1000 yd F-Class matches Premium 20x60x80 Spotting scope and can only see misses of impacts in the raked area with DUST. This i can see with my 32x Rifle scope. About 600 yds is max to see impacts on white surface and when MIRAGE IS UP, it becomes impossible even then. Anyone thinking this far with and airgun IS EASY hasn't done it.........So  no I don't use a spotter. Friend at side with Spotting Scope as he enjoys watching it and competes long range with Powder sees the dust of misses as I do in scope. If NO DUST FLY'S, I assume I hit steel> This isn't always true either as when dust is gone and only fine grained pebbles are left, when I see video I see a miss sometimes that just burrowed into pebbles and from long distance, didn't pick up in scope, and especially if mirage is building. 

Gun was built to do what I did and that is SHOOT FROM BENCH. I quit killing animals almost 50 yrs ago as I used to kill anything that moved......Now just paper and get my meat at the store. ;D

Bought Condor Frame Only from AirForce, which included trigger group. Valve is Doug Noble .257 and his hammer of 120 or 125 gram as I have 2? 9.4# spring. Maddog Benchrest stock. I have 2 premium barrels,. PacNor, Bartlein, received in 34" long, Straight Cylinder. Gunsmith cut/turned down to fit hammer,spring, breach. Barrel left full max diam to fit into frame till step down for hammer/spring, than another step for breach. No bushings as necessary dimples in barrel for screw bolts to hold bbl. I have a chineese CF 4350 psi tank but use around 3500 psi for heavier bullets IE 85, 92 gr....Have external regulator and always shoot tethered.....

Have the AOA SUPER SEAR in trigger group and that lightened pull to 1# or less and is pretty decent. Have a digital pull gauge but just guessed, as my Match Rimfire is 1 oz as removed the 2 oz Jewell ;D Also removed the AUTO SAFETY feature as I hated every cock, set safety on........Run manually if needed now.

The 1108 yd distance was with the Bartlein bbl. I had shot the PacNor to 1000 yds and when Bartlein was ready soon after, installed it and haven't shot either .257 since close to a year now. Been working out Texan ...

Pretty much it I think, as been so long time ago since I shot which was August 2016. Didn't post till end of year??

Carl

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Carl once again thanks for sharing I appreciate your willingness to post data on your builds and results. Great stuff as usual.

Thanks, and my pleasure..............

Carl

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Long Range Shooting with Airguns / Re: Texan 308 world recored
« on: July 21, 2017, 07:09:54 PM »
David,

I will answer some  of your quotes........"I  do not believe you have put more bullets down range but you may I average over 100,000 shots per year for the last 30 years what is your shot count per year? "

I said i have shot MORE LEAD ON STEEL WITH AIRGUN at  DISTANCE!!   You make lead bullets and MOST ARE NOT SHOT WITH THE TEXAN or and airgun..... I have been shooting for 67 years, Last 30 at 1000 yds, from 50 bmg at RATON NM at yearly championship matches. Also F-Class. I just shoot and have no idea of the tens of thousands of rds shot.

"I do believe the proof is in the recovered bullets you have perfect mushroom bullets at what distance?"

Picture says. 1065 yds and other pic I found was 800 yds. Beyond 600 yds on steel perfect mushrooms. Below 600 yds it is DUST

""what is your trajectory at 1108 yards very simple question.
I do not see this in the recovered bullets you are posting here, I see a slight downward smear on bullets nose there is no way they were recovered at 1108 yards unless you were 100 yards below said target""

Yes my impact zone is maybe 35 feet above firing line. On the bullets you question, on steel plate (1065yds) i set plate leaning forward to deflect bullets DOWN,  as a prior trip plate was verticle and when I got home  video was glared out as sun on white paint washed it  out. On the next time out, and is 140 mi trip to my long range, I did tilt steel plate just a tad to far forward of verticle, and it sent hits right to the base and as you suggest they dropping in exaggerated the degree. About 35*angle, dropping in and plate FORWARD LEANING. I include a FRAME from Video of 1108 yd bullets, watch video and at end I shoot them in dirt.

At 1108 yds My  COLD SHOT 300 MOAB was at 298 MOA.

""I do believe it is funny you chose this forum to call me a phony .""

You need to COMPREHEND what you read......No where did I call you a  phony. I NEVER said you didn't make the shot. I DO NOT BELIEVE the G7 Hold Over numbers at all.......I didn't respond to all your slurs to West Coast Residents on GTA and those who didn't agree with you, as I knew that thread was headed for DELETE .

I found it funny in that GTA thread that because I wasn't at gun in video that it didn't happen... Yet you post a still of 3 shots on a plate and is exclusive proof??  For your information a camera on shooter and another at target isn't proof either.......The camera close up on target when in editing software can be timed at editing with shooter firing, and be only 100 yds .......So can be faked too.......Witnesses as you suggest.  I HAVE THEM on MOST of my videos I had one of two friends that wanted and liked to watch most times out. If you searched the 1065 yd video, at end one of my friends who was in the pits and when I radioed I was coming down he ran to look at target which is up the hillside above impact berm and is in video as I left it in. On the 1108 video first time last year the valley was so full of smoke from  all western fires. I could see impact zone with naked eye, set up and fired at zone without target up, and scope compressed all the polutants in air and could NOT SEE DUST AT IMPACT. I had witness with me.....Didn't shoot and several days later inversion layer lifted to be able to see but friend had to work and didn't have one that day.....That is fine as I started the long range quest over 2 years ago to see how far air could go. Never shot an airgun before.......When I got to 500 meters I was amazed and started setting camera at target to put on my Channel of all the Jazz/Ragtime music i had and my interested friends. After or before  shooting I show target view from the bench and how far it is. If  someone doesn't believe me that is fine. I know I did it, and my friends have seen me do it and I am satisfied as I did it  to please ME!! And then I shared with others.......At 76 yrs old I don't much care....

Why would I care to drive and see you do it. I know it can be done and soon I will be to 1000 yds with my .45 TEXAN and 384 gr and 412 gr bullets.....Video of 4" clays at 600 yds so far.... 

Pics i FOUND of spent hits on STEEL  First 1108 and next was 905 yds on steel.....

Cheers  Carl
BLA BLA BLA    Why will you not give  your trajectory for your supposed 1108 shot  with a .257 ?
Very simple question my 1107 target measure 1.34 MOA what size is 1.34 Moa in inches ?
David

I gave you the TRAJECTORY which is the ARC of bullet travel, and was 298 moa.......

You are giving GROUP measurements in moa, of supposed 3 shots and I read you said a 4th shot missed, How does that figure in to the average????  I  put 12 shots on the plate.

Also I have shot in NM wind at RATON many times, and you shooting as you  said with gusting 10-25 mph winds with an airgun. Put a 5 shot group on that plate with some video..........Even a blind squirrel will find an acorn now and again.....

G1 specs for that lead bullet give around 29.3" of lateral movement for EACH MPH of wind change, FULL VALUE at 25 mph, and 1100 yds...... Airgun speeds..And you had 10-25 mph GUSTING........You miss wind call of 1 mph alone and see how groups get larger?

The more you open your mouth the more you prove how FULL OF IT you are.........

I didn't answer on GTA as I know trying to talk to and individual with your antagonistic mindset is futile and a total waste.

Good day sir...............Carl

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