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Bill G

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Im fairy new here but I see alot of familiar names. Been pretty busy for some time and am tired of being busy for someone else. So, I'm looking to start a shop in the not too distant future. I have a few product ideas but have only a slight idea what the airgun community truly wants. We simply haven't quantifies what our community is interested in. We can surely see a demand for products but it is a daunting task to compile this information into statistical data. This puts the community at a disadvantage, resulting in high demand, low supply and poor price point in many cases. I've put together a little survey to better direct any efforts put toward the community. My bread and butter will be in automation, tooling, and prototype/R&D. I already have a couple of steady gigs and air gun products will fill my dead spindle time. I'm setting up to have some formidable CNC capability,, both mill and turning with ATC.

https://goo.gl/forms/sgQGsl3AuEasQ5dQ2

That is a link to the survey. It doesn't collect anything accept what you check off in the boxes. No emails ect. Take a few moments and possibly help out our Marauder community by statisticly quantifying what we really what. This will lead to better supply, price points and availibility. I'm looking forward to your participation

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Re: What does the airgun community truly desire in Mods, accessories ect?
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2018, 09:28:53 AM »
Im fairy new here but I see alot of familiar names. Been pretty busy for some time and am tired of being busy for someone else. So, I'm looking to start a shop in the not too distant future. I have a few product ideas but have only a slight idea what the airgun community truly wants. We simply haven't quantifies what our community is interested in. We can surely see a demand for products but it is a daunting task to compile this information into statistical data. This puts the community at a disadvantage, resulting in high demand, low supply and poor price point in many cases. I've put together a little survey to better direct any efforts put toward the community. My bread and butter will be in automation, tooling, and prototype/R&D. I already have a couple of steady gigs and air gun products will fill my dead spindle time. I'm setting up to have some formidable CNC capability,, both mill and turning with ATC.

https://goo.gl/forms/sgQGsl3AuEasQ5dQ2

That is a link to the survey. It doesn't collect anything accept what you check off in the boxes. No emails ect. Take a few moments and possibly help out our Marauder community by statisticly quantifying what we really what. This will lead to better supply, price points and availibility. I'm looking forward to your participation

Thank you
Bill

Hi Bill,
Welcome to the forum. Before I am willing to share information such as my income with you or anyone else, I'd like to know a little more about you, your airgun interests and how this information will be used.

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« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2018, 11:24:31 AM »
Welcome, and enjoy yourself.

I started to reply earlier, but thought better for an obtuse reason. That said, I agree with Steve about the personal data. None should make a difference in my opinion—either you're passionate about airguns, or your not.

There are several things your form didn't ask about. Regulators and suppressors to name two, and one I'm passionate about, good triggers! A good example is a recent post by Hajimoto about modifying the Gauntlet's trigger. While the video is very well done, the question remains, why aren't manufacturers getting the message? Sort of reminds me about automobile enthusiasts—they want to know how fast the vehicle can go, and couldn't care less about how quickly it stops!
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Re: What does the airgun community truly desire in Mods, accessories ect?
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2018, 12:59:46 PM »
I have "known" Bill G (on the internet and through emails) for a couple of years now.... He has a Corbin bullet swage setup, and a knurling setup for airgun bullets, and I helped him with a couple of BBT designs.... It sounds like he is getting more serious about producing a wider range of items for airguns, and I wish him all the best.... I think market research is a good idea, instead of blindly taking off in a direction that HE may believe is the right one.... but carries little interest from the shooters.... Perhaps if you don't see something in his survey that is of particular interest to you (like triggers, as Alan mentioned).... adding your comments in this thread would be appropriate....

Bob
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« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2018, 03:40:39 PM »
I mentioned trigger for a reason—I'm spoiled! My favorite airgun is my WAR Cobra, replete with Timney Calvin Elite trigger group. It is as crisp as any trigger I've ever used. I like Canjar too, because they make the best single set I know of. A bit of background.

About 30 years ago, I inherited a company called Triggersmith. The main thrust was to condition the support surfaces of the trigger with Tungsten DiSulfide (aka Danzac). My father started the business about 1950, and he almost patented the technique. Alas, that never happened, and the support surfaces of triggers has improved tremendously over the years making coatings all but unnecessary. So I sorts kinda maybe know a bit about triggers.

So, my comments about most stock airgun triggers can be summed up in one two words—universally lousy!
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Re: What does the airgun community truly desire in Mods, accessories ect?
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2018, 04:01:19 PM »
My comment is that when I see something I want and I buy it I do not want to wait 6 months to get it and don't want to be lied to at every turn.  I think customer service and satisfaction is the best.  It's ok for one to ask what someone likes to have but they don't need personal info until you order the product and know for sure that it is ready to sell.  Just my 4 cents for inflation.  Probably off target and sorry if I stepped on toes but good luck
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« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2018, 04:17:54 PM »
I mentioned trigger for a reason—I'm spoiled! My favorite airgun is my WAR Cobra, replete with Timney Calvin Elite trigger group. It is as crisp as any trigger I've ever used. I like Canjar too, because they make the best single set I know of. A bit of background.

About 30 years ago, I inherited a company called Triggersmith. The main thrust was to condition the support surfaces of the trigger with Tungsten DiSulfide (aka Danzac). My father started the business about 1950, and he almost patented the technique. Alas, that never happened, and the support surfaces of triggers has improved tremendously over the years making coatings all but unnecessary. So I sorts kinda maybe know a bit about triggers.

So, my comments about most stock airgun triggers can be summed up in one two words—universally lousy!

You outta try my Sumatra and 909s triggers. Absolutely Horrible. I keep meaning to take them apart and polish, but time....
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« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2018, 11:13:32 AM »
I understand the concerns with personal information.  That is one of the reasons that I did this in the manner I chose. To the absolute best of my knowledge, Identity is invisible to me and others (If you trust Google) ;D.  I'm by no means a market research guy.  The questions that I've asked are out of curiosity of what the consumer is interested in, how likely they are to get it and in what time frame.  Basically establish an idea of volume of business.  As to the request of age, gender, income and probable expenditure of disposable income, That data it for business plan demographics.  These question were developed directly from the questions in the business plan "play book", that are going to be asked about the market that I wish to serve.

Alan- I believe question 12 addresses the question concerning Regs and suppressors. I refereed to them as LDC as I've been told that is a sensitive matter in some circles.  As to triggers, I am comfortable doing my own but would rather not tend to anyone else.  IMO, In the air gun circle there are a lot of tinkerers. I'd say for the most part, they are fairly competent but it only takes one to screw up and blame your trigger. For that I shy away from them. Of course I do make exceptions for people that are very close to me and I have a long relationship with them. I know them and their character. You seem like a shoe in for the trigger business of air guns. 

bnowlin- I understand your position. I have felt this way myself at times but I have found that when I attempt to look at the issue at hand from a perspective of the guy asking the questions. In regard to customer service and satisfaction, I agree with you.  If you would, take a moment to reflect on these points of view as I attempt to overlay them with one another. Using your statement as a basis. " when I see something I want and I buy it I do not want to wait 6 months" Had the person selling you the product that you desired and now have to wait for, done what I'm attempting to do now, You likely would have had your merchandise shipped out the next day. by not doing a little bit of research, I'm basiclly setting up a pulled pork sandwich stand in Iraq. " It's ok for one to ask what someone likes to have but they don't need personal info until you order the product and know for sure that it is ready to sell". This one heavily rests with the previous example also. The personal aspect of the information is a demographic study that feeds the curiosity of a bank that may lend me money to start a venture. Other than gender the rest is asked as a range. Whether the info has any true relevance is beyond me. But according to those who are attempting to teach me how to write a business plan, It is relevant. Personally, I believe it is a hoop that they have me jump through to test my resolve. To the best of my knowledge this survey is anonymous, at least as anonymous as I can make it. The point is, The personal info isn't very pointed.  I respect you position and hold no contempt but would graciously appreciate your participation along with the rest of the members here. Air guns are our common ground. From where I stand, I find it hard to have contempt for someone that simply wants to be prepared to serve a community and avoid exactly what you've described. BTW. The lying part has no excuse. That's a character flaw likely induced by the fear of disappointing those who they respect but are letting down. A selfish attempt at saving face at the expense of their client.  It's easier to say, "sorry but I'm sucking right now, do you want a refund?"But they probably already spent the money.  That's not funny....... but its a little funny.   
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« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2018, 11:15:11 AM »
I mentioned trigger for a reason—I'm spoiled! My favorite airgun is my WAR Cobra, replete with Timney Calvin Elite trigger group. It is as crisp as any trigger I've ever used. I like Canjar too, because they make the best single set I know of. A bit of background.

About 30 years ago, I inherited a company called Triggersmith. The main thrust was to condition the support surfaces of the trigger with Tungsten DiSulfide (aka Danzac). My father started the business about 1950, and he almost patented the technique. Alas, that never happened, and the support surfaces of triggers has improved tremendously over the years making coatings all but unnecessary. So I sorts kinda maybe know a bit about triggers.

LOL I hear you just about have to stand on those.  only trigger worse is the AK-47.

So, my comments about most stock airgun triggers can be summed up in one two words—universally lousy!

You outta try my Sumatra and 909s triggers. Absolutely Horrible. I keep meaning to take them apart and polish, but time....
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« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2018, 11:19:45 AM »
excuse that last post.... I must have failed to start low enough in the field and made my comment part of the quote.  If that is like time travel, I'll meet myself and fail to exist. :o
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« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2018, 11:27:46 AM »
Nothing you do on, or with, Google is sacred—NOTHING! Google delights in using collected data to their benefit, even if it steps on the Bill of Rights. Their internet spiders search everywhere, looking for trusted data, as in "...Trust us, we'll use it..."

Bill, I certainly understand your interest, and under similar circumstances, I'd no doubt be doing the same thing you are. There is one area I agree with, and that is that the hobby is full of tinkerers. There are a number of guys who know their stuff, and we're lucky enough to have a few of them visiting our pages regularly, thankfully. But the truth is, far too many assume they know, and as you alluded to, that fact can be dangerous! This is the main reason we should all be leery about who we buy used airguns from.
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« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2018, 11:46:11 AM »
I have "known" Bill G (on the internet and through emails) for a couple of years now.... He has a Corbin bullet swage setup, and a knurling setup for airgun bullets, and I helped him with a couple of BBT designs.... It sounds like he is getting more serious about producing a wider range of items for airguns, and I wish him all the best.... I think market research is a good idea, instead of blindly taking off in a direction that HE may believe is the right one.... but carries little interest from the shooters.... Perhaps if you don't see something in his survey that is of particular interest to you (like triggers, as Alan mentioned).... adding your comments in this thread would be appropriate....

Bob


Hey Bob,
Thanks for the good word. You are spot on with your assessment of my actions.  I did make a spot for comment at question 13 that accommodates a short answer.  Depending upon how this survey is received, I may have another that is derived from the answers gathered from this one.  I didn't want to make it too long because I no how badly I dislike surveys.  That being said, I can't keep from answering them.  Something compels me to take the product survey even though I don't like them. I suppose its in the offhand chance that my opinion or position will alter behavior as to suit me. 
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« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2018, 11:49:24 AM »
One more thing. There is a poll function on the site if you wish to use it. Please try and keep the data set small as we pay for our storage space.
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« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2018, 12:25:09 PM »
Thank You Alan
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« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2018, 01:13:30 PM »
Bill,
I for one am glad to have you here.  I meant nothing derogatory towards you it was sort of a comment towards the people that do this sort of thing and they are numerous in this world.  Some explain and some think that a fib will satisfy everyone and keep them going.  In no way was it headed you way.  Kinda like if the shoe fits wear it.
Good luck in your endeavors.
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