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Re: 22 Mrod
« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2016, 11:38:13 AM »
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Re: 22 Mrod
« Reply #16 on: May 02, 2016, 03:34:29 PM »
Personally, with a hammer forged barrel, there is NO need to clean it unless it is losing it's accuracy! There is also zero need to lube pellets. However, it is a smart idea to use a safe silicone lubricant, to lubricate the breech o-ring every other time you shoot. If not every time. Just throwing that out there.

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Re: 22 Mrod
« Reply #17 on: May 02, 2016, 06:55:29 PM »
Agreed lube isnt for accuracy but definitely extends the cleaning periods.
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Re: 22 Mrod
« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2016, 03:49:32 AM »
Wellllll. I would disagree with lubing the pellet. This depends on the rifle. I'm a tickler for detail from groups to shot strings. I will test and test to find the best performance. In my PCP rifles I found that the SD and spread of my strings gets a little tighter with lube and groups get a tighter too. Is it a huge huge improvemwnt...no but every little  matters. :)
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Re: 22 Mrod
« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2016, 04:46:52 AM »
  so what would happen if I didn't lube the pellets?the barrel would get dirty and I get poor accuracy,if I lube the pellets barrel takes longer to foul preserving accuracy?so to lube or not to lube that is the question.
  for the people who have hammer forged barrels how often do you clean barrel without lubing pellets?when you lube them does the shot count increase between cleaning?
  what about the guy that supplies the barrels what does he say bout cleaning and lubing?
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Re: 22 Mrod
« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2016, 04:59:02 AM »
I would not say that lubing the pellet will keep it cleaner. One thing that would say if the faster you shoot the pellet, the faster the barrel will get dirty.
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Re: 22 Mrod
« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2016, 05:14:24 AM »
 also does pellet type play in this dilemma?
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Re: 22 Mrod
« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2016, 06:01:59 AM »
Having a hammer forged barrel I will clean it every 150-200 shots. 3 patches with ballistol and 3 dry and one damp one with FP-10. And yes with these particular barrels shooting lubed vs unlubed makes a big difference in how quick it gets fouled. Just switching from krytox to FP-10 which is recommended by Jim now doubled my time that the barrel will get fouled. Jim says to lube pellets roughly 10 drops for every tin and to put a few drops into the breech and do a dry fire to coat with it. I normally just do a patch of it after cleaning but same principle.
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Re: 22 Mrod
« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2016, 07:17:16 AM »
also does pellet type play in this dilemma?

I will say that yes, it will most certainly play a role in this whole thing. Each pellet has it's own characteristics even within the same die and lot#, tin, box, etc. Things such a head size, skirt size, skirt depth, actual weight, how hard or soft the lead used in the lot or by the manufacturer is! You get the idea. In the end EVERY little detail does indeed play a role, from your pellet, to your breech right on through your lands and grooves and inevitably out of the crown and on it's path to your target where wind, humidity, gravity, etc take their turn with the pellet!

Lube will increase the speed at which the pellet passes through the rifling, which can be good or bad. Some pellets like the slightly faster exit with less actual friction, others don't. There really is NO definitive answer to this! Trust me, if there was, snipers would have figured it out long ago! (consider the FACT that actual snipers are trained to use a cold, DRY, barrel) The reasoning behind it? Friction = better contact with lands and grooves = better twist when leaving the crown of the muzzle = more stable flight of the bullet itself to it's intended target. Notice that they are not adding anything to the equation.  Just something to ponder about.

"Don't forget that bullets/ pellets rise and fall"

(just gonna leave that riiiight there...........)

Lastly, yes, lubing your pellets will increase the time between NEEDED barrel cleaning. Key word is NEEDED! Don't clean your barrel on a regular basis because you just want to. It is not a PB, it isn't going to foul and rust. It will however allow some lead-ing of the barrel which is a GOOD thing. Clean your barrel when you notice a decrease in accuracy. Otherwise, let it be.

Just my thoughts and a couple facts I picked up down at good Ole FT. Benning.

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Re: 22 Mrod
« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2016, 08:09:41 AM »
I agree don't clean it until accuracy opens up. But the thing is with these hammer forged barrels from Jim Gaska are extremely tight and we're designed to only shoot soft pellets like JSBs and AAs. Having pushed pellets through it personally with JSBs and H&N barracudas I wouldn't recommend anything hard. The groove on these .22 barrels are .213 and after pushing through noticed the entire pellet head on the 18gr JSB which are 5.52 were shaped. Not just where the lands were but the entire pellet head. Measuring them I found out the choke on mine is a .209. These barrels are no joke accurate as can be but are very very tight which is why Jim recommends a wet lube and requires regular cleaning and where leading up doesn't help these barrels. I'm speaking from my personal experience and experience of others like Motorhead and others who find similar results. Trust me follow Jim's recommendation of a wet lube on these barrels being they are way tighter than typical .22 barrels
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Re: 22 Mrod
« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2016, 09:57:31 AM »
  I have three bottles of FP-10...I ordered 1000 cleaning patches.it shoots great clean and I run some patches thru it after I shoot it.
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Re: 22 Mrod
« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2016, 06:02:36 AM »
  pellet lubing,i went hog wild and really lubed a full 500 count tin of the JSB 18.1 grain pellets,like 30 nice drops(pellets are coated good).so far I am thru almost half and just cant seem to miss what I shoot at as long as I keep the crosshairs where I want to hit...I have not had any drop off in accuracy nor have I ran any patches thru it yet to regain accuracy.i got tired of cleaning barrel every 150 shots or so.
  i am going to run thru this tin without any barrel attention and see how it shoots at the end of the tin.then i going to clean barrel and shoot unlubed pellets just to see what happens...this is on going as i not going to sit down and shoot 500 times,thats a lot of pumping...
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Re: 22 Mrod
« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2016, 03:06:33 PM »
  I am almost thru the tin of 500 pellets,i have not ran a patch in barrel or otherwise cleaned it.
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Re: 22 Mrod
« Reply #28 on: May 17, 2016, 03:36:53 PM »
I am not so sure about lubing pellets.

I bough a used .25 Hatsan, and before I could get it to shoot anywhere near what I expected, I had to R&R the barrel and clean out the junk! My word it was dirty. I don't know what the residue was, but if had the consistency of paraffin. It was obvious the previous owner used some sort of lube on the pellets. Once cleaned, and re-O-ringed, it shoots like I expected it to.

I had a good friend who has been into PCP airguns for several years, tell me lubing was necessary, and even told me what his formulas was. Well, I just have an issue with lubing. After all, lead is a fairly good lubricant itself, as in babbitt bearings. And, I have shot over 1,000 rounds though the WAR-ized .25 Marauder I bought from Travis. It still shoots pellets into one hole at 25 yards, nearly so at 50 yards, and I've never cleaned it period! I ask myself, why do I need to lube my pellets?
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Re: 22 Mrod
« Reply #29 on: May 17, 2016, 04:32:21 PM »
 this is a hammer forged barrel in 22 cal. I never have lubed my 25 pellets but I have cleaned the barrel of the 25...I don't know who said or did whatever,my take is my experience with it at the present time.
  I shot unlubed pellets and they not shoot good after 150 shots,i heavy lubed pellets and I going on 400 shots and can hit just about anything that I shootin at within 60 yards...
  when I get thru with the tin of 500 I clean my barrel real good and shoot unlubed pellets and see what I get...I just got the hammer forged barrel and have seen different views from people but not seen a sample test as the one I doing...when I am finished I will know from my own trial and error.how many have 22 hammer forged barrels and shoot 400 shots with no accuracy drop-off?i may shoot at a target and see how good the last 10 shots out of tin of lubed and unlubed...
  it really doesn't matter cause I run patches thru the barrels after hunting most of the time...this is just a test and I not telling anybody what or how to do things.
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