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Title: Photobucket dogging us out.
Post by: Monkeydad1969 on July 02, 2017, 10:32:35 AM
Well I see that any and everyone, including myself, who used Photobucket to post on the forums can longer view those pics.  Photobucket is trying to make us pay to post on third party sites.  Time to find another way.  I guess I'll have to load directly from my computer and just resize to make the correct kilobyte size or use Dropbox or one of the other online photo storage sites.

Joe
Title: Re: Photobucket dogging us out.
Post by: rsterne on July 02, 2017, 11:08:43 AM
I have been paying for Photobucket for a few years now.... My archive was so large it ran over what you could get for free.... So far I haven't seen a problem.... If they come back and want a large fee increase I won't be able to afford it, I already pay $30 a year....

Imagine what my thousands of threads would be like if all the charts and pics suddenly disappeared?....  ::) .... I can guarantee you that I will NOT have enough time to migrate all that to another site and change all the links....  >:(

Bob
Title: Re: Photobucket dogging us out.
Post by: Monkeydad1969 on July 02, 2017, 11:19:58 AM
They have you go over to the site to pay for the P500 plan which is 300 for the year, and you can't select any other options, as of yesterday.  Just going to load all pics to my computer and my other sites I can store onto.  Then I'll just resize whatever I need to post.  But all my threads with pics are pretty much a wash.  Because I'm not going back thru them to repost, except for my very recent posts over the last week or two.   :-[

Joe
Title: Re: Photobucket dogging us out.
Post by: Alan on July 02, 2017, 03:49:00 PM
This brings up a question Joe? Does there need to be another donation drive?
Title: Re: Photobucket dogging us out.
Post by: Monkeydad1969 on July 02, 2017, 05:06:44 PM
This brings up a question Joe? Does there need to be another donation drive?

For...what?  Besides, that needs to be up to Travis.

Joe
Title: Re: Photobucket dogging us out.
Post by: rsterne on July 02, 2017, 05:08:58 PM
I have a question about this.... Photobucket supply links specifically to be used for posting photos to Forums.... That is what I always use.... Have they now decided that links they supply you now have to pay for?.... or is "3rd party hosting" (which is what they are no longer allowing without significant cost) something different?....

Bob
Title: Re: Photobucket dogging us out.
Post by: bnowlin on July 02, 2017, 05:12:28 PM
mine gone too.  Heck with them
Bobn
Title: Re: Photobucket dogging us out.
Post by: Monkeydad1969 on July 02, 2017, 05:13:52 PM
I am not sure if they need us to pay because of data usage on their servers or if they just want to make money.  Seems almost the latter due to the plan they want us to use.

Joe
Title: Re: Photobucket dogging us out.
Post by: int3man on July 02, 2017, 05:21:39 PM
So I guess the question is what would it cost to host photo's on a server somewhere?  What does a Gig cost?  We will need Steve to look into it.

Michael :-  )
Title: Re: Photobucket dogging us out.
Post by: Alan on July 02, 2017, 05:53:16 PM
Storing photos can be a real memory hog depending on the size allowed for each photo. The Guild is now using some of their allotted disc space to store photos, and we have to remember the more disc space used past the base amount, the higher the hosting cost. Perhaps more important is the bandwidth used. Hosting companies get bent out of shape when the ratio of bandwidth vs. disc space starts getting higher.

On my own site, my total disc space is under one TB (basic tier is 10 TB), but the bandwidth often exceeds 50 GB. I don't get charged most of the time, because my disc usage is low.

What I'm suggesting is, rather than donate to some other site to store airgun-related photos, pay the Guild!
Title: Re: Photobucket dogging us out.
Post by: Gerard on July 02, 2017, 08:28:59 PM
I'm puzzled by these Photobucket reports, as images I've put on their servers for use on a couple of US-based forums are still working just fine. Videos aren't, however. I only have a few very small video files there, nothing over 5MB, but it seems they've discontinued allowing linking for those. I'll keep checking on the images, and if they stop working I'll simply delete my Photobucket account for the useless thing it is. Mostly I host my own images on a private domain for forum use in Canada, as it gives me more control of my property. Guess I can just switch to that for foreign forums as well...
Title: Re: Photobucket dogging us out.
Post by: Alan on July 03, 2017, 04:19:40 AM
Gerard, you bring up another issue. One of the ways Alphabet (Google's and YouTube's parent) gets paid is by ads attached to videos. More and more often, you cannot skip past the ads, which should be telltale! Literally thousands of sites link to YouTube's site. Makes one wonder what will happen if and when Alphabet starts charging for the links?

Trivia tidbit: Alphabet's disc storage will surpass a yottabyte in the near future. That is: 1 YB = 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 bytes = 1000zettabytes = 1trillion terabytes!
Title: Re: Photobucket dogging us out.
Post by: Bullfrog on July 03, 2017, 06:20:48 AM
I'm puzzled by these Photobucket reports, as images I've put on their servers for use on a couple of US-based forums are still working just fine. Videos aren't, however. I only have a few very small video files there, nothing over 5MB, but it seems they've discontinued allowing linking for those. I'll keep checking on the images, and if they stop working I'll simply delete my Photobucket account for the useless thing it is. Mostly I host my own images on a private domain for forum use in Canada, as it gives me more control of my property. Guess I can just switch to that for foreign forums as well...

I think Photobucket backed down a bit. For a few days last week, all pictures linked to forums from Photobucket libraries were cut off and Photobucket was demanding a $300 a year subscription to make the links work. Now the links seem to be working again.

Unfortunately most of the pictures that I've linked over the years are thru Photobucket. I'm going to stop using Photobucket, whether they stick with their new subscription policies or not. The site runs very slow as it is and is a headache to navigate.
Title: Re: Photobucket dogging us out.
Post by: Gerard on July 03, 2017, 09:12:46 AM
Slow, yeah, tell me about it. When I was checking into my account there the other day it took almost 20 minutes for my account page to load fully such that I could click their notification regarding changes to policy. Ads kept pushing through, as ghostly pop-ups and at least two pop-unders. Not really usable any more, at least for my old ExoPC tablet.

I've made only slight use of YouTube over the years. Think I have 8 or 9 videos uploaded there, primarily to share a few things with family or with forums. From Youtube's beginning it seemed obvious to me that the advertising model was not sustainable. For one, I refuse to watch ads there, have used an adblocking plugin since my first use of Firefox. Same on my phone; I use Android phones but have always rooted them and disabled ads right away. I've paid handsomely for the hardware and again abundantly for internet service, so it offends me that Google imagines I owe them my attention and screen real estate for their ads. I'm rooting and adblocking my wife's new phone today. Ads were one of the main reasons I abandoned television a decade ago. My time is too valuable to waste on someone else's sales pitches. So with this perspective, it has seemed that Google's business model is not endlessly sustainable. Surely the majority will eventually tire of such timewasters... or perhaps I give our species too much credit. Greed does seem the most potent of motives among us, so perhaps empathy for Google's greed, their imagined right to our time and money will win out?
Title: Re: Photobucket dogging us out.
Post by: bnowlin on July 03, 2017, 10:10:50 AM
Are the hacked that's the same as Ransom ware is asking to set their hack free.  Just a  thought
B0bn
Title: Re: Photobucket dogging us out.
Post by: sixshootertexan on July 03, 2017, 11:49:38 AM
At $399.99 per year for 3rd party hosting I think I'm done with Photobucket.
Title: Re: Photobucket dogging us out.
Post by: rsterne on July 03, 2017, 12:43:42 PM
Yes, if they continue with such a ridiculous idea, my account there will sit in limbo, in order to punish them by taking up their disc space.... I won't add to it, but all the pics, charts and graphs I have already posted in threads on various Forums will go blank.... I will also stop paying the $30 a year I do currently because I was over their free storage limit.... something I was doing so that I could continue sharing my knowledge and projects....

I have all the graphs and charts on my own computer, but it would take, literally, hundreds of hours to move them to a new service and change the links.... so that is NOT going to happen.... I feel sorry for the impact that will have on my threads, but I simply don't have the time to move them.... In addition, some Forums block any editing after 1/2 hour, so I couldn't change the links, even if I wanted to....

Bob
Title: Re: Photobucket dogging us out.
Post by: rsterne on July 07, 2017, 09:13:22 AM
I got a renewal email from PB today, telling me that my CC had expired (which I knew, they have no way to change that on their website).... They told me to delete my recurring payments and set up a new one.... My guess is that my plan no longer exists.... or once I renew (and they have my $29.95/yr) THEN they will tell me I need to pay $399/yr.... So, I sent them a reply asking them if my plan will still give me the same service I have now.... I will let you know what/if they reply....

Bob
Title: Re: Photobucket dogging us out.
Post by: steveoh on July 07, 2017, 06:00:27 PM
Just back from camping... still unpacking but here are some ideas:

https://www.lifewire.com/free-image-hosting-sites-3486329

Steveoh
Title: Re: Photobucket dogging us out.
Post by: Monkeydad1969 on July 08, 2017, 10:18:56 PM
Thanks, steveoh.

Joe
Title: Re: Photobucket dogging us out.
Post by: rsterne on July 12, 2017, 01:46:48 PM
I have had a paid account for many years, and after finally hearing from PB I decided to renew it for a year and see what happens.... My cost was $34.99/yr with a $5 discount to entice me back.... I'm hoping they will leave all existing contracts in place, but I guess I'll find out.... They didn't answer my question about that one way or the other....

Bob
Title: Re: Photobucket dogging us out.
Post by: Dairyboy on July 12, 2017, 02:05:47 PM
I use postimage for my pics and I really like it. I believe the Mrod forum uses them which is why I went there
Title: Re: Photobucket dogging us out.
Post by: Christopher on July 12, 2017, 07:57:55 PM
Yeah it sucks to go on some of the threads or other forums and the images are down saying the account needs to be updated >:( Lots of good info lost. Cause you know, I'm one of those guys that like pictures.    :)

Hey Dairyboy, good to hear from ya. Hope all is well.

Chris
Title: Re: Photobucket dogging us out.
Post by: Monkeydad1969 on July 18, 2017, 09:40:17 PM
I use postimage for my pics and I really like it. I believe the Mrod forum uses them which is why I went there

May have to give them a try.  Any costs or are they free?  How much storage will they allow?

Joe
Title: Re: Photobucket dogging us out.
Post by: Alan on July 19, 2017, 04:55:37 AM
Excuse me while I kabits for a moment.

Photobucket hosts about 10 billion images. Assuming the average upload is 2 mb per photo (about medium resolution there days), the storage space used would be 20 billion megabytes! That is 20 followed by 15 zeros! or 20,000,000,000,000,000! That is a rather large number of terabyte-sized hard drives! This seems like a big number, but Google's storage space makes Photobucket's look really small!

Google has over 900,000 severs! It is estimated that their total storage capability will exceed a zettabyte in the near future. With the help of Wikipedia, that is to say: 1 ZB = 1,0007bytes = 1021bytes = 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000bytes = 1,000exabytes = 1millionpetabytes = 1billionterabytes = 1trilliongigabytes.

So ask yourself this question: Who is paying for all of this? Yep! You and I! Complain as you wish about their cost structure, but the real truth lies elsewhere.

Here is my suggestion, and I have voiced it previously. Instead of paying Photobucket, send a donation to the Guild so they can afford to continue native hosting of our photos!
Title: Re: Photobucket dogging us out.
Post by: steveoh on July 19, 2017, 09:11:04 AM
Every chance I get I attack Photobucket for screwing us all over. So many images have disappeared on the web. It's uncool. They were already making money from ads that show when you click on an image. I hope this comes back around and gets the CEO fired.  May the fleas of a thousand camels infest the CEO's armpits.

Yeah I'm cranky in the morning when I haven't had enough coffee.
Title: Re: Photobucket dogging us out.
Post by: sixshootertexan on July 19, 2017, 09:44:45 AM
Seems like they could have left the old pics alone and not allow future 3rd party linking.
Title: Re: Photobucket dogging us out.
Post by: steveoh on July 19, 2017, 09:57:13 AM
Seems like they could have left the old pics alone and not allow future 3rd party linking.

It's a no brainer to add an ad to the bottom of each of the original images. They get their advertising dollars and don't screw over everyone, who in good faith used PhotoPhucket to host their images, and to post on third party forums, blogs etc. Yes, it costs them money to serve up those images, but the cost is easily offset by putting a small ad. I get the feeling they just want press, whether or not it is good or negative.
Title: Re: Photobucket dogging us out.
Post by: Dairyboy on July 19, 2017, 02:55:13 PM
I use postimage for my pics and I really like it. I believe the Mrod forum uses them which is why I went there

May have to give them a try.  Any costs or are they free?  How much storage will they allow?

Joe

Free as far as I know...how much storage? Not sure I'm just a country boy lol maybe have 100 pics so far
Title: Re: Photobucket dogging us out.
Post by: steveoh on July 19, 2017, 05:24:13 PM
Posted this over at GTA.

Fill out reviews of Photobucket often, and loudly.

https://www.sitejabber.com/reviews/www.photobucket.com

Tweet your sweet revenge.

https://twitter.com/search?q=%40photobucket&src=typd

Yell at Photobucket here there, and everywhere.

https://www.facebook.com/photobucket/
Title: Re: Photobucket dogging us out.
Post by: DashShot on August 06, 2017, 06:12:09 AM
Photobucket is going out of business. Sooner or later, they'll feel the bad effects of their wrong "business decision."
Title: Re: Photobucket dogging us out.
Post by: steveoh on September 08, 2017, 09:46:57 AM
Add this extension to Chrome, and it fixes a lot of the photo bucket crap.

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/photobucket-hotlink-fix/kegnjbncdcliihbemealioapbifiaedg

Title: Re: Photobucket dogging us out.
Post by: sixshootertexan on September 08, 2017, 12:12:47 PM
FireFox has this too.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/photobucket-embedded-fix/?src=hp-dl-upandcoming
Title: Re: Photobucket dogging us out.
Post by: rsterne on January 27, 2018, 06:59:29 PM
Photobucket has come up with another option that will allow 3rd Party Hosting, which I will convert to when my current hosting plan expires later this year....

http://photobucket.com/p500/

The "Premium" account, while expensive at $100/yr is only twice what I am paying now.... and 1/4 the ridiculous price they were trying to get when they locked out all the free accounts last year.... So fear not, friends.... all my photos and graphs will still be around, at least that's the plan....

Bob
Title: Re: Photobucket dogging us out.
Post by: sixshootertexan on January 27, 2018, 07:42:14 PM
I got an email with that offer. They must be starting to get desperate for customers.
Title: Re: Photobucket dogging us out.
Post by: rsterne on January 27, 2018, 07:49:26 PM
I have been paying $30/yr for many years, because I have so many views I was way over their "free" limit.... and I didn't mind that, figured it was pretty cheap, actually.... Last year when the SHTF I wasn't affected because I had a paid account, but it did cost me $50/yr to renew, and I just hoped that they would come to their senses before my plan expired.... and they did.... I'm not pleased with the price doubling, but when they promoted their $400/yr plan I pretty much told myself that I would pay $100/yr but no more (and fortunately the wife agreed).... I'm guessing the marketplace found its own level.... So, I get to pay $10 Can. a month to share my research with you guys....  ::)

Bob
Title: Re: Photobucket dogging us out.
Post by: Alan on January 28, 2018, 04:20:23 AM
The Internet is indeed changing, and not necessarily to our liking.

Dish Network and Direct TV are having to morph into streaming services; smartphones will soon replace all landlines; and the list goes on. We're still paying the bills, but only the methodology has changed.
Title: Re: Photobucket dogging us out.
Post by: rsterne on January 28, 2018, 08:38:59 AM
No cell service here in Coalmont.... so no possibility of that happening here....

Bob
Title: Re: Photobucket dogging us out.
Post by: bnowlin on January 28, 2018, 03:46:42 PM
Bob
Get a satellite phone.  What internet you have?
Bobn
Title: Re: Photobucket dogging us out.
Post by: Gerard on January 28, 2018, 05:07:32 PM
A quick check for satellite phone options seems to show a cost of between $6 and $9 per minute of use. Not a very practical option compared to less than $30/month for a landline.
Title: Re: Photobucket dogging us out.
Post by: rsterne on January 28, 2018, 06:25:22 PM
We have high-speed wireless internet from a tower on a nearby mountain that serves Tulameen and Coalmont only.... They could put a cell on the same tower, but there are not enough subscribers to make it viable/profitable....

Bob
Title: Re: Photobucket dogging us out.
Post by: bnowlin on January 28, 2018, 07:31:11 PM
We tried that wireless internet and it got worse and worse till we were les that one down when lucky.  Took it out when Hughes came out with their Gen 5 high speed sat.  Perfect for 4 or 5 months with 40 to 50 Mbits down 3 up then went to nothing all of a sudden a month ago.  Last week I told them to come and get it and Thursday it mysteriously went up so i am back going again.  However I wouldn't trade the country living for city speeds. LOL
Bob
Title: Re: Photobucket dogging us out.
Post by: Crosman999 on March 30, 2018, 09:20:15 PM
Photobucket was the worst even before they held photos hostage. Thankfully I had moved most all my photographs off spammy Photobucket long time ago, Imgur is much better service.
Title: Re: Photobucket dogging us out.
Post by: Monkeydad1969 on March 31, 2018, 09:54:01 PM
True.