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NRA Meltdown
« on: May 15, 2019, 04:03:16 AM »
Have you guys been keeping up with the shenanigans of the NRA? It appears it’s in meltdown.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/14/us/nra-finances-executives-board-members.html


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Re: NRA Meltdown
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2019, 05:23:37 AM »
First of all, it is important to make note of the political bias the NYT is known for. With that said, the excerpt from the article is a bit nefarious:

Wayne LaPierre, billed $275,000 for purchases at the Zegna luxury men’s wear boutique in Beverly Hills

One of my gun club friends mentioned this issue to me this past weekend, and ask me for an opinion. Personally speaking, if Mr. LaPierre wants some new duds, he should pay for them himself! He's certainly paid enough to be able to do so. And there is another allied issue. Ted Nugent of rock and roll fame, is a member of the NRA board. Although he's paid for his advertising of the NRA on his Outdoor Channel cable program, he should be outraged at LaPierre's expenditure. If I were the one making the decision, LaPierre would be long gone, and Oliver North in his place!

But we're still faced with a glaring fact; The NRA is still ONE OF the last bastionS of defense for the Second Amendment—the right to bear arms. So, LaPierre's leadership is a mixed blessing as it were.

(Edited for obvious reasons)
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Re: NRA Meltdown
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2019, 06:50:12 AM »
Alan,
There will always be those who hope the National Rifle Association (NRA) fails.
Socialists among them.
When the 2nd Amendment goes you can kiss the rest of them good bye!
What bothers me is the fact all of these so called elected patriots pledged to “support and defend” the constitution.
The socialistic democrats do not.
This includes our local followers of Karl Marx!
But I too have issues with LaPierre.
Five million members?
OK.
How many are kids? Do they vote?
How many are women? Do they care?
The NRA is not the largest gun rights organization in the USA although they would like to think they are.
Who is it then? Oh, who could it be?
The NAACP leads the list because that crap is not going to happen again!
The JDL is right up there at #3 for the same reason!
The 2nd Amendment Foundation runs a close #4.
We have armed militias throughout the country representing every race and ethnic background. Too, there are others with private issues.
The government is aware of this and that is why they and the socialistic news media publish all the stories of the nut cases that go amok.
Uninformed idiots...
We still have Californians demanding mandatory background checks.
They want to stop private party sales at gun shows here.
Are they serious?
Where are they living?
I go to every gun show in my area and they are crawling with government agents, some of whom are actually trying to sell firearms (entrapment).
You want to buy a gun?
You fill out the paperwork, pay your fee, they check the computer nd then you wait 10 days.
Yes it is a royal pain in the XXX but it is the law and we have chosen to live here.
But, and this is real point, only the law-abiding obey the law!
I have NRA decals and license frames on my truck.
I also have AAA and State Farm decals too.
There is a TCA decal and one from my cellphone company.
We have the freedom to own firearms because the original immigrants to this country who defected from England were not allowed to own firearms there.
I read yesterday, some idiots are using crossbows in that country to kill people because, wait for it, “It is fun”!
Most of the forum members are well along in years and that is the only good thing about the current political climate. We won’t be here when it happens! When the guns are taken away (and they will), the air rifles, bows and arrows and knives over 1” in length will be next.

The 2nd Amendment was not written so we can hunt, target shoot or have the tools needed to protect our families.

It was put in the Constitution (Article 4, then later written as the 2nd Amendment and made  part of the Virginia Bill of Rights) to insure we, the people, have the tools needed to guarantee a free state.

Not California. Not New Mexico.

The United States of America!

So, read and heed gentlemen and then send a check to the NRA or one of the other organizations.. mentioned!
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Re: NRA Meltdown
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2019, 09:40:34 AM »
This was not intended to be a toxic political or social commentary thread.

The NRA meltdown is of their own doing.  If you cook the books, take steps to hide where money is coming from and where it's going to, allow certain executives to spend the member's donations on personal luxury goods,  then the NRA has become a criminal enterprise. Why on earth would anyone continue to send money to a criminal enterprise?

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Re: NRA Meltdown
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2019, 11:57:40 AM »
I agree Steve. And when it become renew time, I'll remind them!
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Re: NRA Meltdown
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2019, 05:11:43 PM »
Why on earth would anyone continue to send money to a criminal enterprise?


And why on earth would anyone contribute to the DNC, PETA, WWF, ASPCA, any union organization, etc.???? They are not on our side. And I believe the graff and corruption is rampant in these organizations. And it is well known. Look it up, Google is your friend.
Believe you me, there is money lining pockets everywhere, but to me, my donation to the NRA, GOA CRPA, etc. is one of "my" everywheres. They are on our side fighting the good fight.
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Re: NRA Meltdown
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2019, 06:41:53 PM »
Why on earth would anyone continue to send money to a criminal enterprise?


And why on earth would anyone contribute to the DNC, PETA, WWF, ASPCA, any union organization, etc.???? They are not on our side. And I believe the graff and corruption is rampant in these organizations. And it is well known. Look it up, Google is your friend.
Believe you me, there is money lining pockets everywhere, but to me, my donation to the NRA, GOA CRPA, etc. is one of "my" everywheres. They are on our side fighting the good fight.

I wasn’t talking about any other organization than the NRA.

I don’t donate to any of the ones you mention. The organizations I do donate to get carefully vetted before I give them my hard earned money.

I asked an NRA rep what the mission of the NRA is. Do they have a concise mission statement? Apparently not as the guy pointed me to an NRA webpage that avoided the subject altogether.

That gave me pause. I always thought the NRA had the mission of defending the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment,  promoting  firearms education, training and safety, as well as encouraging new generations to learn about firearms.

Seems pretty straight forward. I would add that I’d expect the NRA to come up with ideas on how to make sure criminal, irresponsible and mentally incompetent do not get access to firearms.
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Re: NRA Meltdown
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2019, 05:27:53 AM »
This issue does have some political implications, to speak the obvious. But even without that involvement, there are issues which need to be addressed, as they are a 501(c)3. As in, where does the money go, openly-stated, in an easily-read document, as required by Federal Law. It certainly isn't in their annual report. Or if it is, it is well hidden.

The first link below is the NRA itself. Note what Charity Watch doesn't say about the NRA!

The second link is the NRA Foundation. They're the ones who solicit the monies for the NRA. Technically, Charity Watch doesn't list 501(c)3 organizations which use more than 24% of the income to raise that income, but they list this one. But what isn't shown, is the fact the foundation bills the NRA nearly 50%. In other words, if they collect $100 in the name of the NRA, about $50 goes into the NRA's pockets. And ask yourself this: Who runs the NRA Foundation? And why doesn't the NRA raise the monies directly for themselves? Here's a hint (read 4th paragraph): https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/shellcorporation.asp

https://www.charitywatch.org/charity/national-rifle-association-nra/288

https://www.charitywatch.org/ratings-and-metrics/national-rifle-association-nra-foundation/289

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Re: NRA Meltdown
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2019, 05:57:39 AM »
The question is:

If you are not a member of the National Rifle Association then why is it any off your business?
Why?
Why?

Why does the President of the Red Cross make million of dollars every year?
Why does the postmaster general makes millions every year?
Why does California allow the state to be run by Los Angeles and San Francisco?
I cannot answer the first two questions.
The second is perfectly clear.
Very little eduction and no accountability.
When is the last time any student at any level was kept back a year?
Came home with a failing grade?

I know this is a different world and that is a damn shame!
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« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2019, 07:04:20 AM »
Frank, why is it any of my business or anyone else’s business what the NRA does with member donations, if one is not a member?  That’s pretty simple. The NRA is a political organization that directly impacts politics and social issues in this country. Beware their political theater, as you should beware the political theater of the two sides in Washington, DC.  You know, two opposing sides in bitter public battle, but behind closed doors smoke Cuban Cigars and drink 30 year old Scotch, slapping each other on their backs in congratulations of their mutual performance.

They have become more of a political organization than an educational one, support industry more than hunters and enthusiasts, and they appear to be incredibly corrupt, taking and spending member’s  money in a non-transparent way. Non-profit? Please. Filling one’s pockets with member’s money, and spending it on luxury clothing in the elitist liberal haven of Beverly Hills? What? Do they have a Cabelas in Beverly Hills?

Wow, sounds like folks donating to the NRA are kinda like the folks donating to their favorite Mega-Church where the pastor has multiple mansions and drives a Lamborghini. A pastor tends his flock of ........?

In my humble opinion the NRA needs to be dismantled starting at the very top, and open the books, clean out the rot, and restate the mission. Get rid of the political theater and re-emerge as a member lead organization that goes back to its roots.

Here is the Mission Statement as provided by CharityWatch:

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Support firearm-related public interest activities to defend & foster the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding Americans; promote firearms & hunting safety; enhance marksmanship skills of shooting sports participants; and educate the general public about firearms in their historic, technological & artistic context.



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Re: NRA Meltdown
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2019, 09:25:06 AM »
Looks like a good mission statement to me...
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« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2019, 02:51:57 AM »
Okay, I'll play! 

I think that the shooting sports enthusiasts, as well as the political activists, would lose a great asset and a great ally if the NRA were dismantled entirely. Much of our firearms training, including matches, ranges, clubs and skills, have been derived from NRA. They are foundational in our sport.
Politically, I joined NRA because I live in IL and we need all the help we can get fending off the Chicago politicians who are unwilling or unable to get a hold on crime in their own city.  This battle has been fought mostly by the state gun rights organizations, NRA has been pretty invisible.

But it appears that their accusers have brought credible evidence that NRA could stand some house cleaning, and the organization should have the integrity to do so.  They risk their own life and livelihood by alienating their own members (and money supply).  Their political opponents will certainly make a big deal of their weaknesses and cause dissension, which means they have to address their weaknesses.   

As a member, I want LaPierre to take the small fortune he's making and buy his own suits and book his own travel to the Bahamas, and quit funding an advertising firm that can only produce a channel with 49000 unique views a month.  Illinois citizens, our nation's citizens, really need that fun money directed toward lobbying and litigation right now.

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« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2019, 06:28:07 AM »
   Very nicely put, Mobilemail. I have purposely stayed away from this thread because of it's volatile nature. Nothing will changed someone's mind when it's already made up, especially when it comes to politics. My political beliefs are my own, and with the exception of a few close friends and family I keep them to myself.
   I reserve the right that the USA has provided me to exercise the act of individual free thought. I am not a lemming, a sheep, or whatever analogy you want to use. I don't vote along party lines and I bristle when someone tells me what I should or shouldn't think or tries to 'educate' me. My own personal opinion is that our political system has become so polarized that nothing can or will be accomplished to the betterment of anybody. It's like watching two people fight and whoever screams the loudest or throws the hardest blow wins. These are supposed to be the highly educated leaders who are above such childish behaviors, and yet that's what feeds our system. 
   I refuse to be bullied or threatened into blindly supporting anything. I have not renewed my membership in the NRA for some time. As soon as they started to use Hollywood as their smoke-and-mirrors gimmick that tipped the scales for me. Of course there are other issues that are my own personal feelings, and I don't want to voice them here because those are strictly opinions on policies of the NRA and there's no right or wrong...just my own takes.
   Above all, I demand accountability from the people who SAY they represent me. That includes county supervisors, cops, mayors, governors, and presidents. I find it insulting when I'm feeling talked down to or treated like an unknowing moron and the last thing I'm going to do is pay to have someone do it to me. When the individuals and organizations become more grass roots, pay more attention to the issues at hand instead of their own coffers, and install/elect ethical folks who are qualified based on the GOOD THAT THEY CAN DO FOR THE PEOPLE THEY REPRESENT, then they again receive my support.
   It's not an easy decision to not be a part of the supposedly main organization protecting gun rights. However, I have to stick by the moral code I have which places accountability above all. Nothing gets the attention of big politics more than constituents keeping their wallets in their pocket. When citizens blindly continue to tithe there's no reason to do anything different. I pray that as a society we will be able at some point to set some of differences aside and have the maturity and ability to listen to each other. Without that, were are stalled out. 
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Re: NRA Meltdown
« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2019, 05:45:47 AM »
Typical!
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Re: NRA Meltdown
« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2019, 08:00:49 AM »
Today I received this Email:

Dear Fellow NRA Member:

Since the NRA was founded almost 150 years ago, our adversaries have repeatedly tried to take us down. Today is no different. A recent burst of media claims the NRA is vulnerable, financially unstable, and weakened in its fight to defend the Second Amendment. Obviously intent on not letting the facts get in the way of a good story, most reports offer a distorted and inaccurate view of the NRA. As officers and past presidents of the NRA, we write today to set the record straight.

As you may know, we recently convened in Indianapolis for one of the largest NRA conventions in our history. More than 80,000 of our members showed up to gather as one NRA family - to support our Association and celebrate our nation's constitutional freedoms. During our annual Members Meeting on April 27, some asked for greater insight into three issues: the NRA's financial affairs, our direction and strategy, and the supervisory role being played by our board of directors. We had an open forum and spirited discussion.

Of course, our discussions were portrayed as a sort of family feud. (Infighting at the NRA - Chaos and Controversy!). At the NRA, we take pride in the fact that our Association is inclusive and invites the active participation of every member. Every member has an opportunity to voice any concern they may have at the Members Meeting. In fact, our greatest privilege is hearing from our members. Like many of you, that's why we were at the Members Meeting in the first place and spent countless hours on the convention floor.

Fact: During a board of directors meeting on April 29, Wayne LaPierre was elected by acclamation to continue serving as our CEO and Executive Vice President. The board also unanimously elected Carolyn D. Meadows to serve as our new president.

Perhaps looking for a way to counter the narrative about a stronger, more unified NRA, questions have now conveniently surfaced about our financial situation and our standing in the regulatory arena. There also have been frequent attacks on Wayne's personal character.

Fact: According to the NRA's chief financial officer, we are on budget in 2019. The NRA is meeting all banking and supplier financial obligations and we continue to aggressively manage our cost structure to offset the orchestrated and calculated attacks against NRA's finances in 2018. Put another way, our financial house is in order - we aren't going away.

We have full confidence in the NRA's accounting practices and commitment to good governance.

Fact: The Association's financials are audited and its tax filings are verified by one of the most reputable firms in the world. Internally, the Association has a conflict of interest policy and, where appropriate, related-party transactions are reviewed and approved by the board's Audit Committee.

Simply put, we are well-positioned on the regulatory front and poised to handle all challenges that confront us.

Personal attacks against the NRA's leaders are nothing new. Recent ones have focused on wardrobe purchases and travel expenses incurred by Wayne. If members hear of an allegation, they can be assured that it has been or will be addressed by the appropriate committees within our board of directors.

Fact: We have committees in place to oversee issues relating to Accounting, Legal Affairs, and Ethics, among others - and every board member is invited to attend these meetings. Please remember that all of us are elected by you - our members. We are not elected by Wayne or anyone on the NRA executive team. We serve as your elected representatives.

Fact: Over the years, Wayne had been advised by the NRA's advertising professionals to invest in his professional wardrobe due to his numerous public and media appearances. We understand that this was the same agency that facilitated the clothing purchases. What wasn't as evident in this "disclosure" is that the clothing expenses referenced in media reports dated back to expenses from 15 years ago! To put it in perspective, over this time period, Wayne has participated in thousands of events and hundreds of TV appearances, and personally directed fundraising efforts that total in the hundreds of millions of dollars. In any event, this practice was discontinued some time ago.

Fact: The vast majority of the travel in question involved donor outreach, fundraising, and stakeholder engagement. As an example, The Wall Street Journal reported that a trip to Italy was "tied to a 2015 documentary feature on the Italian gun maker posted on NRATV." Beretta, as you may know, is a major supporter of the NRA and our Second Amendment.

We are not inclined to further discuss unfounded attacks on our organization, political infighting, or a "weakened" NRA.

However, we will say this: Our adversaries will not divide us and any further discussion about the so-called "demise of the NRA" is only meant to distract us from our mission. This is how it goes when you stand on the bedrock of constitutional freedom - and represent the last line of defense against a campaign to take down the Second Amendment.

While board members may argue, and perhaps even disagree as to tactics, the support Wayne and the current leadership enjoys reflects our assessment of his past and future value to the association as well as our realization that our opponents know they have to take him down if they want to weaken the NRA.

As one NRA member recently said, the true story of the NRA won't be found in today's press clippings. It will be written in the history books.

Wayne has been standing shoulder-to-shoulder with all of us for most of his professional life. He has our support. A campaign to oust him failed - as the facts emerged, true motivations became apparent, and we agreed as to who should lead our fight for freedom. We are now moving forward.

Fact: We will confront our opponents, defend our values, and proudly continue our tradition as the greatest civil rights organization in the world.

Just like you, we care about the Second Amendment and our NRA. Just as you do, we know that our fights today are less for us and more for our children and our grandchildren. Just like you, we are all courageous foot soldiers in our fight for freedom. Every single one of us in this fight matters. The Second Amendment is where it is today because of all of OUR efforts. That's why you matter to our cause and our Association.

We are the NRA. United we stand. And together, we'll win.

Signed,

Carolyn D. Meadows
President

Charles L. Cotton
First Vice President

Lt. Col. Willes K. Lee USA (Ret)
Second Vice President

Allan D. Cors
Past President

James W. Porter
Past President

David A. Keene
Past President

Ronald L. Schmeits
Past President

John C. Sigler
Past President

Sandra S. Froman
Past President

Kayne B. Robinson
Past President

Marion P. Hammer
Past President

Robert K. Corbin
Past President

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My take, always look where the info comes from when accusations are thrown toward anyone protecting our freedoms. I'm a lifetime member of the NRA, and there is strength in numbers. I am also a member of GOA, CRPA, and The SAF.
 
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