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Re: Texan 308 world recored
« Reply #75 on: July 30, 2017, 08:36:23 PM »
I agree Travis.  I only want to hear from one guy and that is Dave.  He said silence speaks volumes in earlier posts...
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Re: Texan 308 world recored
« Reply #76 on: July 30, 2017, 08:45:21 PM »
I agree Travis.  I only want to hear from one guy and that is Dave.  He said silence speaks volumes in earlier posts...
I would have to agree I certainly would like to hear from him also and If he thinks hes still correct in the Honor of this forum and our members I would agree to pay all shipping charges and provide insurance for Daves gun and a box of the ammo to be sent for testing to a third party tester.
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Re: Texan 308 world recored
« Reply #77 on: July 30, 2017, 08:57:13 PM »
That is more than generous.  I doubt he will show  his face here though.  The real issue is all the people show pick up the story from the big retailers who may not care if the info in false, I guess we will see.
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Re: Texan 308 world recored
« Reply #78 on: March 16, 2018, 10:20:25 AM »
I do not get how David managed to get that Texan to shoot those 154 grain slugs 1107 yards. I've shot hundreds of those 154 grain hunters supply slugs through my .308 Texan and they seem to keyhole at 200 yards and even seemed to keyhole at 100 yards. I'm shooting the 154's at 960 fps to 900 fps with the same results - its just seems that a stock .308 Texan cannot stabilize such a slug at 200 yards, let alone 1107.
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Re: Texan 308 world recored
« Reply #79 on: March 16, 2018, 10:50:36 AM »
I've been watching this post for awhile, but I'm not too amazed Dave hasn't come back to support himself. However, in his defense...

In the mid 90s, I had a tight-necked, 22-250 AI built by Rose's Gun Shop in Denver. It has a 31 inch, 1:12, Shielan barrel, and a weighted McMillan stock for a total of 28 pounds—obviously a bench gun! It easily shot in the low ones using Nosler 55 grain ballistic tips.

In 1998, Northwest of Yuma Colorado, I shot a prairie dog with this gun at a laser-measured 1,710 yards! But... It took eleven shots to do the job, and even then I considered myself lucky! One of the five guys I was with, was post about 250 yards to the east and north of my position. He acted as an artillery spotter of sorts. After missing so many times, I literally twisted the elevation knob an unknown number of clicks. The ensuing round hit just to the prairie dog's right about 10 feet. From his spotting position, my friend Bill told me (via FRS radio) that the distance was correct. The last attempt hit the prairie dog dead center. Personally, as I said, I was just plain lucky. It is sort of like shooting suppressive fire from an M1A1 .50 Browning—while you're wasting ammo, you're nonetheless hoping you'll hit some of the enemy down range.

As a result, I'm just not impressed about shooting airguns at extended yardage, whether we're shooing metal plates or water jugs. It is, after all, a hint an miss scenario which proves very little.
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Re: Texan 308 world recored
« Reply #80 on: March 16, 2018, 04:15:27 PM »
Well said, and good analogy. Your prairie dog shot is amazing none-the-less, but at least you temper it with a dose of reality. You didn't just go 'oh, there's one' and shoot it offhand. The above mentioned scenario of the world record somewhat gives the impression of walking out to the bench, doing the math, turning the scope a few clicks, and knocking down steel at insane range. Those of us with some experience know this is not true; all you have to do is look at Rifle50's videos to know that shooting at that distance requires a lot of hotrodding and skill to say the least.

I think exception is taken when the proof isn't available whether using either video or an incorrect ballistic formula, and also that the underlying premise that 'if you use this ammo and buy my services that YOU TOO can shoot like this' which is b.s. and unethical advertising.   
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Re: Texan 308 world recored
« Reply #81 on: March 16, 2018, 06:59:40 PM »
Honestly, when I bought my .308 Texan, there was barely any information/reviews on forums, youtube etc that were actually customer reviews and not just retailers holding the Texan and saying its an accurate air rifle. The home page on Hunters Supply's website which states the .308 Texan can shoot their cheap 154 grain SP ammo 1107 yards. Frankly this was one of the things I read that persuaded me the .308 Texan would be a great gun for long range target shooting. Also I could shoot all day without spending a lot on ammo when compared to a powder burner. I think its unethical for Hunters Supply to not supply all the CORRECT details/facts. But at the same time, you can call up Rachel at Airforce Airguns and she will tell you all day that the .308, .357 and the .457 Texan will shoot 1" groups at 100 yards out of the box...
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Re: Texan 308 world recored
« Reply #82 on: March 17, 2018, 04:28:03 AM »
1" out of the box isn't a big stretch and frankly 100 yards is a chip shot for the Texan. I too bought this gun last June when there was little to no info on it, for the same reasons as you: cheap to shoot, long range targets, etc.

I can't speak for the .357 or the .45. but the .308 needs a lot of attention on the tune wheel. Newbies like me were led to believe that the tuning wheel is just a 'fine tune' and only needed when accuracy/power plateaus. That's why there are no numbers on the wheel; Airforce didn't want people obsessing on it like they do on the Condor. The difference between the middle of the tuning wheel setting and max power is about 200 fps. That's a lot, and the difference at distance is staggering obviously. 

I say this because I think that the .308 is definitely capable of 1" groups at 100 yards out of the box IF you have the setting right and are using the correct bullet weight for that setting. And couple that with the fact that there was/is very little accurate info from either the factory or customers it made for a lot of guess work. In the airgun shooting circles there seems to be a love/hate relationship with the Texan. Guys that are really into the minutia of power/accuracy, long shot strings, and quiet sub-100 yard guns don't like it. Too much boom and not enough consistent results. I'm a west coast guy who hunts blacktails with powder burners so long range is just the name of the game most of the time. The novelty of a long range air gun just appeals to me.

Keep the barrel clean, turn the power up on any bullets bigger than 134, and a Mad Dog stock doesn't hurt either. If anything it makes the gun a million times more comfortable to shoot and that itself helps the accuracy (not to mention the physical elements the stock provides) my accuracy also improves when I get off of the bipod and use my shooting station (custom built) or bags.
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Re: Texan 308 world recored
« Reply #83 on: March 19, 2018, 03:40:11 PM »
Once I'm done machining/building my Texan for long range shooting to 800-1000 yards, I will start a new thread in the "Garage" section with my modifications/reasoning behind them so others will know what actually needs to be done to a .308 Texan to get it to shoot 1000 yards.

Keep in mind that David has a 4500 psi upgrade on that .308 Texan at the time/mad dog stock as well as the limb saver. Matt from R&L confirmed this.
Kinda goes without saying but either an adjustable or fixed MOA rail will be needed to give the scope the cant it needs since the pellet will drop a lot more than any powder burner.
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Re: Texan 308 world recored
« Reply #84 on: March 20, 2018, 08:23:34 AM »
I have read all this and find it quite entertaining, stating a "world record" may have set you up for criticism, I'm sure you never planned on that.

This is tame compared to the guy who caught Dottie in California.  A world record beating large mouth bass.  He actually caught the fish and then decided to release it because it was foul hooked and would not count.  He's received death threats, had his tires slashed, and had inflated stories and some out right lies about what an evil person he circulated as fact.  He has STATED he wishes he had never caught it.  People who have never met him will state WITH AUTHORITY that he deserves what he got because he is an "evil" person with horns and a tail who eats children for breakfast. 

Any time you claim a record people will trash you, and often the people you think would most respect your accomplishment.  If any little detail about your account doesn't add up exactly perfect (TO THEM) they use it as an excuse to trash everything about you and your story.  These guys are being down right cordial compared to some of the sh!t I have seen. 

P.S.  Bob.  I could hit my ProChrono at 200 yards too.  That's why I don't do it.  LOL.

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Re: Texan 308 world recored
« Reply #85 on: March 20, 2018, 08:30:21 AM »
I have read all this and find it quite entertaining, stating a "world record" may have set you up for criticism, I'm sure you never planned on that.

This is tame compared to the guy who caught Dottie in California.  A world record beating large mouth bass.  He actually caught the fish and then decided to release it because it was foul hooked and would not count.  He's received death threats, had his tires slashed, and had inflated stories and some out right lies about what an evil person he circulated as fact.  He has STATED he wishes he had never caught it.  People who have never met him will state WITH AUTHORITY that he deserves what he got because he is an "evil" person with horns and a tail who eats children for breakfast. 

Any time you claim a record people will trash you, and often the people you think would most respect your accomplishment.  If any little detail about your account doesn't add up exactly perfect (TO THEM) they use it as an excuse to trash everything about you and your story.  These guys are being down right cordial compared to some of the sh!t I have seen. 

P.S.  Bob.  I could hit my ProChrono at 200 yards too.  That's why I don't do it.  LOL.

P.P.S.  I will probably never own another Chrony.  I've had two.  Neither worked worth a darned and I got ZERO RESPONSE when after struggling for months I tried to contact them.  I am aware Chrony fans may have had better experiences.   I didn't.  Them's  the facts.

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Re: Texan 308 world recored
« Reply #86 on: March 20, 2018, 08:42:21 AM »
Sorry.  I promise to never call you guys cordial again. 
I forgot how GTA like it had gotten here and why I quit posting for a long time. 
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Re: Texan 308 world recored
« Reply #87 on: March 20, 2018, 04:03:28 PM »
Bob La Londe,

I'm not criticizing David for not having a video. I believe David shot the Texan 1107 yards. I know he probably walked the Texan up to 1107 yards, ie: he didn't sight in at 100 yards then adjust the scope for 1107 yards, take 3 shots and then that's the group. He probably worked up to 1107 yards.
I'm just curious how that .308 was tuned, how much psi was used etc...He posted a pic and some words. However, Texan owners like myself who were influenced to go with a .308 Texan over the .457 Texan or a .257 condor/talon because of the article want to know what he did with his .308 Texan to get the results he did - because a stock .308 Texan won't do that.

People just want information so they can get their own air rifes out to 1000 yards. No one is out for blood.

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