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Looking at a new gun purchase and would welcome any opinions
« on: September 09, 2017, 09:35:24 AM »
So I'm enjoying my Texan .308 but now that I'm hooked on the hobby I seriously need a smaller PCP to plink/hunt small game and have a higher shot count. I was considering the Airforce Condor in .25, but after shooting a buddy's FX Royale I was floored by the accuracy and the big advantage of a regulated system. So, here are my parameters/desires/budget...please feel free to give me your opinion.

Goals:
dead nuts accuracy at 50 yards and able to sniff 100 yards with some skill and effort.
consistent shot placement with a shot count of at least 15 per fill
.22 or .25? I want the best long range accuracy I can get and with as much knock down as possible. Leaning towards the .25

Budget: Realistically around a grand. I can justify that (barely) but I can't really do much more. I still have a compressor that I'm going to need to purchase on the horizon.

Current mindset: I was considering going with the Condor as a 'matched set' with my Texan, but after seeing what a regulated gun can do I was taken aback. As much as I'd want to, there's no way that I can swing an FX Impact/Royale, WARP, or anything else in that price class at this time. However, the FX Streamline is in my wheelhouse and right now that's the current leader.

I'm concerned the Streamline is somehow a stripped down FX Royale...I'm not sure what makes the price lower than the rest of their line. I would welcome any and all comments, suggestions, comparisons, experiences, etc.  I'm also not opposed to a used piece from one of the noted gurus here if it fits my needs and is not a logistics nightmare to obtain.

Thanks in advance.

Kevin


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Re: Looking at a new gun purchase and would welcome any opinions
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2017, 09:55:40 AM »
My go to airgun for backyard and beyond is my Sumatra Carbine in .25. With LDC and powerwheel turned to 4 above the lowest setting I can get two or three six pellet cartridges out of a charge. That's using JSB Heavies of 33.9 grains. No doubt I could get 48 reasonable shots if I went with lighter pellets.

You can hunt all sorts of critters with this setup. You can buy a Sumatra, and have money left over for a scope, rings, custom LDC, extra cartridges and pellets.

Sumatra is not pellet picky, is more accurate than me, and I love it.

Oh crank the power up and it will do some serious damage.

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Re: Looking at a new gun purchase and would welcome any opinions
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2017, 10:39:55 AM »
Of course the really good answer is the one you like, not what I like. I do own a .25 caliber WAR that Travis built for himself, and it fills MY bill nicely with groups under 1 inch out to 100 yards. Right now, it is tuned for the 25.4 grain AirArms, at 897 ± less than 7 FPS. That's right at 45 FPE.

It is heavier than I like with the big scope and bipod that is on it, but the doves, rabbits, and squirrels don't seem to mind that fact—they just fall over dead!
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Re: Looking at a new gun purchase and would welcome any opinions
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2017, 11:44:28 AM »
Alan,

In a perfect world that's exactly what I would like to have. While the WAR is absolutely my dream piece, I just can't swing the $'s right now. When I'm a little better off financially and lot better off understanding high-performance airguns and how to properly use them, I have to stay in my budget and that's the only reason I'm looking at $1000.00 or lower guns.
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Re: Looking at a new gun purchase and would welcome any opinions
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2017, 12:35:12 PM »
I also have a Gen 2 in .25 caliber Travis put together. I added a TSS instead of the SSG, and a larger port (.162), and it fairly well gets with the program. It is now relegated to a backup status.

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Re: Looking at a new gun purchase and would welcome any opinions
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2017, 01:18:14 PM »
Alan,

In a perfect world that's exactly what I would like to have. While the WAR is absolutely my dream piece, I just can't swing the $'s right now. When I'm a little better off financially and lot better off understanding high-performance airguns and how to properly use them, I have to stay in my budget and that's the only reason I'm looking at $1000.00 or lower guns.
A lot of us started with the .25 marauder.  Kinda like lego's you can switch out the pieces and get what you want.  I have a couple to chose from if you are interested PM and we can talk.  Couple valleys over.
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Re: Looking at a new gun purchase and would welcome any opinions
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2017, 09:13:49 PM »
My go to airgun for backyard and beyond is my Sumatra Carbine in .25. With LDC and powerwheel turned to 4 above the lowest setting I can get two or three six pellet cartridges out of a charge. That's using JSB Heavies of 33.9 grains. No doubt I could get 48 reasonable shots if I went with lighter pellets.

You can hunt all sorts of critters with this setup. You can buy a Sumatra, and have money left over for a scope, rings, custom LDC, extra cartridges and pellets.

Sumatra is not pellet picky, is more accurate than me, and I love it.

Oh crank the power up and it will do some serious damage.

I would definitely check out the Sumatra great value and a real power house

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Re: Looking at a new gun purchase and would welcome any opinions
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2017, 12:35:14 AM »
I really hadn't considered the Sumatra. I checked it out a little closer I was surprised at the accuracy and reviews. There are a few things that I find to be negatives for me: not regulated, not suppressed or quiet, and frankly the looks don't appeal to me. I'm still leaning towards the Streamline. I would sure like to know what differentiates that model from the higher priced guns. If anybody can explain that it would be helpful.
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Re: Looking at a new gun purchase and would welcome any opinions
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2017, 05:48:17 AM »
I'm not an FX fan for several reasons. One of them is the fact the fill level gauge (on most models) is on the "business" end of the rifle. Although I've never heard of a case where someone who was checking the gauge level shot him/herself, it just isn't safe in my opinion.
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« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2017, 06:49:48 AM »
I find that gauge placement weird as well. One thing that I do not want to do is do a lot of tinkering which is why I don't want a MROD. I really want a piece that's turnkey and I don't want to fiddle with a bunch of after market stuff to make it better. I might be there down the road, but definitely not now.

I would love to be able to get the WARP Flex but I'll need to wait a while for that one. After I'm in Idaho next year, the dust has settled, and I sell a couple of toys to buy new ones I'll be in a better position.
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Re: Looking at a new gun purchase and would welcome any opinions
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2017, 09:37:46 AM »
Wow.  People that tinker with an M-Rod want to, they don't have to. I have mine stock from when they were still new and it still shoots fine. 25 cal. and I get 20 shots or And if you talk to Michael I'm sure he has one all tricked out.  My first PCP gun was an M Rod and then the WARP.
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« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2017, 05:14:38 PM »
This is exactly the kind of feedback I was hoping for...thank you, sincerely. Being a newbie to high-end air guns most of what I learn is just from research and picking up tidbits. I try to make the best decisions for me, but let's face it: it's fairly easy to throw $1000's worth of $#!t at the wall just to see if it sticks, especially for a rookie. So I have no idea what stacks up to what quality-wise vs. budget other than what I pick up from a forum like this, videos, reviews, etc.  And business being business, some of these sources have a vested interest in whether you like the product they are talking about or not. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Most high end pieces ARE really nice and works of art, but it can be overwhelming for a newbie to see through the fluff.

Just in this post thread I learned:
1) Apparently a MROD can be REALLY accurate when modified. I honestly wasn't sure that was case, or at least as good as other sub-$1000.00 guns out there
2) I never knew how much the Sumatra was respected and liked, and how good the cost is. I'm personally not drawn to the looks, but that's just an aesthetic thing. If someone said, 'Here's a Sumatra for $200.00' I could overcome the first impression pretty quickly.

And I received a message from Mike about a gun he has. That's why this board is so invaluable. As I said before, thanks to all of you for your advice and help. It's made my transition into the sport so much more enjoyable.

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« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2017, 04:23:09 AM »
I want to correct something here.

You do not have to modify a Marauder to make it accurate. There have been some instances where Benjamin didn't make barrels very well, but those days are far behind them. A new Marauder, with the right person shooting it, and with decent pellets, will easily hold 3/4 inch groups at 50 yards. Modifying it can make the groups more consistent, and the number of shots per fill higher. And, you can bottle it, regulate it, you name it, and still spend less than you would on a high-priced PCP. Along the way you learn what PCPs are all about.
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« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2017, 07:24:20 AM »
Thank you for clarifying that about the stock MROD, Alan. I certainly didn't want to step on anyone's toes or disparage a gun that I really know nothing about. I based my opinion on a friend's purchase of an MROD and then comparing the groups to an FX Royale. The FX was way better and I just assumed that price/engineering etc. made it a 'better' gun. Because the MROD is touted as an 'entry-level' gun it's easy to form the opinion that one may be disappointed after a period of time.

I'm buying a modified MROD from a Guild member here and I'm really pleased about it. Not only have I been convinced that it's a great purchased, but it's going to be a good way to learn more about PCP's and the inner workings.
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« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2017, 09:30:49 AM »
I own a Gen 1, .22 caliber Marauder. It is out to Travis for some serious work, but that is another story!

Stock, the rifle, shooting JBS 18 grain Exacts, would easily hold 3/4 inch groups at 50 yards. I installed a .25 caliber Marauder transfer port, and a TSS. Total cost was under $325 including what I aid for it used. As currently tuned, the average is 925 FPS, and 35 FPE. Now, 50 yard groups are one ragged hole! It should do even better with the heavier pellets once Travis gets through with it. And by the way, I had no issues of any kind. No leaks, no trigger issues, nada!

I won't argue about the accuracy of FX airguns as they seemingly shoot straight. I will argue about their quality in some respects, based solely on the palaver I read on the various airgun-related sites. Most of the issues seem to center around the trigger not working correctly, and air leaks ad nauseam! When you spend nearly two large for an airgun, these types of issues shouldn't arise, period! While is may be a moot point, they aren't made here, so you must deal with a dealer, which can be an issue too.

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