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butchb

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Americn made
« on: September 27, 2018, 03:51:45 PM »
New to air gunning and have a Gamo Mach1. It occurred to me that I usually try to buy American made when I can and haven't been doing so in this case. Just out of curiosity and to save myself the time in researching what air guns and pellets are made in the USA? I know Crossman is but don't know the quality ranking of this stuff and this seems like a good place to find out. Thanks


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Re: Americn made
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2018, 03:55:51 PM »
Airforce airguns is the first that comes to mind as far as production airguns go. Not sure about pellets.
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« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2018, 04:06:36 PM »
Many airguns are made in the USA. For me, since I own both, Wicked Air Rifles and Benjamin are at the top of the list, but in different price levels and quality.

Wicked Air Rifles are expensive (≈$1,800 to ≈$2,400), and come with features not even thought of on lessor models.

The Benjamin series, especially the Marauder, have more after-market "things" available for them, than any other airgun, period!

Yes, both are PCP, but if you want flexibility, you almost have to go with a PCP.

I would be remiss in not mentioning Airforce. I've never owned one, but have shot several, including a .357. Without any suppression, THEY ARE LOUD! REALY LOUD! But if power is what you're looking for, you have got to pay a lot more money to get close with anyone else.
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Re: Americn made
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2018, 04:49:28 PM »
Since you said you are new to airguns are your familiar with the different types of airguns available? 
1) spring powered usually a brake barrel which cocks a spring which when fired compresses the air in-front of the spring
    sending the pellet down the barrel.
2) CO2 uses CO2 gas usually in cartridges loading into the pellet/BB, gas is used to propel BB's or pellets down the barrel.
3) Multi-pump pneumatic a lever on the gun is use to pump up the air pressure usually several pumps required, all pressure
    is released when gun is shot.
4) PCP uses high pressure air usually 2,000 to 3000 psi. several shots can be fired before the gun needs to be recharge,
    charging can be accomplished several ways.

My list is general there are lots of alternatives and most types are available made in USA  enjoy learning, I am.

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Re: Americn made
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2018, 05:43:26 PM »
Let us not forget that "springers" also come in Nitro-Piston models. Personally, I view them as a separate category. And I (my opinion), believe anything Nitro-Piton is nothing more than a way to bring folks into the airgun hobby. While I might agree with the idea, it just adds a tier level of complication to the purchase string. So setting aside Big5's and Dick's Sporting Goods idea of airguns, just go for broke, and select a PCP! The monies spent will be less overall, although it won't seem like that at the on-set. It is sort of like Halloween—what's behind the mask is more important than what's in front of the mask!
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Re: Americn made
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2018, 08:41:19 PM »
Lots of good replies and info,Thanks How about the pellets?
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Re: Americn made
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2018, 10:11:55 PM »
Crosman/Benjamin are USA made. It's a crapshoot sometimes on them, but my .22 Mrod loves them. My .177 BSA FT gun likes them.
H&N  are German
JSB/AA/Predator are made in the Czech Republic IIRC.  Most all my guns shoot them well.

When I depend on accuracy it's CZ for me, H&N 2nd and the Crosman third. (except my .22 Mrod)

I've tried EunJins from Korea and other than weight they are not worth mentioning. Poor quality, not consistent and not diabolo. But as I said they win in the weight department and under 25 yards they hit like a ton of bricks.

There are others, but to me not worth mentioning, except there are some
Chinese pellets made specifically for target (10 Meter) that I hear are hand sorted and very expensive that are very accurate.

That all being said if you want USA made other than Cros/Benji you can cast your own. Dies are made right here in the good ol' USA. Problem is finding USA made smelting equipment nowadays. :-[
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Re: Americn made
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2018, 06:02:56 AM »
Are Daisy pellets still US made?
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Re: Americn made
« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2018, 06:30:45 AM »
It is my opinion, that adjustable airguns—read that as PCPs—can be adjusted to shoot almost any pellet accurately, with few exceptions. Non adjustable airguns—read that as nitro-pistons—are hit and miss accuracy-wise, unless you find a certain pellet and hold stance for your particular airgun. I say particular, because two, otherwise identical models do not necessarily act alike with respect to accuracy.
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Re: Americn made
« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2018, 06:40:19 AM »

"I've tried EunJins from Korea and other than weight they are not worth mentioning. Poor quality, not consistent and not diabolo. But as I said they win in the weight department and under 25 yards they hit like a ton of bricks."

That meaning Diablo is good or bad? Lost me there :)
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Re: Americn made
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2018, 07:04:12 AM »
The term is D I A B O L O. It means wasp-waisted, and is the typical design for airgun pellets. Diablo is Spanish for devil.
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Re: Americn made
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2018, 08:10:59 AM »
Daisy is now owned by Gamo, a Spanish company who is one of the largest airgun manufactures world wide.
I was sad to see Daisy sell out, Daisy is still in Rodgers Arkansas.  My first air-rifle was a Daisy model 25
pump BB gun, I still have it.  The group of guys I shoot airguns with weekly none of us have had acceptable
accuracy shooting Daisy pellets.  Gamo's pellets also have not shot well for us.  Several of us own FWB model
300S, 601's, and 603's.  We usually get the best accuracy with JSB and H&N brand pellets made in Germany.   
However we do shoot Benjamin/Crosman pellets, work shoot well in some of our guns.  Crosman's .22 hollow
points shot in a tricked out Crosman model 500 semi-auto will out shoot target pistols!

Side note, we refer to poor quality pellets and lead sinker larva.
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Re: Americn made
« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2018, 10:00:36 AM »
Funny things happen along the way. AirArms' and JSB's, .25 caliber, 25.39 grain pellets are supposedly the same pellet, just made using different dies. I've measured them both, and they appear to be identical. But... If targeted in at 50 yards, the AirArms will pattern up and right about 2 inches from the JSBs. I profess not to know why!
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Re: Americn made
« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2018, 11:08:48 AM »
I have never compared AA and JSB in .25, but in .177 there is a visible difference in the base.   And my experience with .177 and .22 is that one of these two brands will generally always be the guns favorite pellet, but which is always the guns choice. 
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Re: Americn made
« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2018, 09:05:07 PM »
Got the Spanish definition but he said poor quality. Not consistent and not diadolo. That mean diabolo is good or bad ? Been shooting the diadolo 10.5 in my 177 and groups have tightened up. Got two heavier ones to try soon as they get here,.l
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