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HighAltAir

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WAR .308 Flex?
« on: April 27, 2018, 07:06:58 AM »
Hi
I’m not sure the .30 qualifies as a big bore, here it is. I was out shooting big jack rabbits the other day. The Jacks wont let you get real close so most shots are at 75-100 yrd at best some close to 150. Well I had my 25 Wildcat with 33.9 mk2 in the mag, and put one in the boiler room (hart shot.) the rabbit jumped up in the air flipped over backwards and was dead still. I started my walk out to pick it up and darn if that rabbit got up and took off. I took me the better part 30 min to get close enough to get a head shot on it to finsh it off. I kept thinking i must have missed the placment of the shoot. After i found rhe holeright where i was wanted it, it missed the hart by just a 1/4”, destroyed one lung and torer up the for side lung. That big old jack should have dropped right there. With the distance on these in open flat range, Im thinking I need more power, ie shock. Been looking for a 30 and there are some good one out there. But I keep going back to Bullfrog’s reveiw of his WAR Flex for hogs and dear. So what I was wanting a Flex with a 308 barrel is that doable and what do you big bore shooters think? I can cast an size 308 buy the ton, which is much cheaper than the .30 cal pellets, i can also swage 308’s from pure lead with hollow points or soilds. Any Way I want to hear from you experienced big bore shooters. I plan to shoot Jim a email at WAR, I would like to here what he says.
Thanks for looking and your input.
CH.
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Re: WAR .308 Flex?
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2018, 11:17:45 AM »
I have a WAR Cobra in .25 caliber. I've managed to kill only three jacks, and all died fairly quickly even at 150 yards!

The issue here doesn't really have a ballistic answer per sé. And it really doesn't matter where you hit the jack. The next time, the exact same shot might stop a jack, dead as stone!

as I've said many times... Internal, ad external ballistics are well-known sciences. But terminal ballistics is almost a guessing game, even for a head shot!
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Re: WAR .308 Flex?
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2018, 08:06:34 AM »
This can be (although it shouldn't be) a touchy subject....killing power. Dudes get uber sensitive about it. I've taken a raccoon with one shot from my break barrel Prowler .177 and I've had turkeys run 50 yards after being hit with my .308 Texan. I don't care what anyone says, an air rifle is an air rifle. It's not a firearm and as such it lacks the punch of a powder burner. Period, end of story. Use whatever analogy you want - bicycles to motorcycles, a claw hammer vs. a sledge...whatever. We all strive to get the most power and punch. Just look at the posts from the numbers-oriented shooters and the huge $'s and time spent tweaking just to eek out another few FPE points.

As airgunners we enjoy the appeal that airguns offer. Quiet, cheap to shoot, the novelty of it, etc.  Along with that comes an acceptance of the capabilities of our chosen weapon and the ability to operate within those parameters. It's not easy. Like they say in baseball, 'the "hard" is what makes it great'. There's also a big difference between bench shooting results and field shooting results. For me personally I own a airgun that is capable of shooting great distances. It's a amazingly accurate when shooting off of a bench in controlled conditions and 200 yards is a chip shot. Go out into the field and everything changes. No fixed yardage distances, no perfect rests, and the target is moving or can move at any time.

I've found that sub 50 yards is a gimme with my airguns, but past that my range judgements start to get suspect. Keeping that in mind I tend to aim (speaking about the big bore here) for the biggest area on my game. Not getting my range right by 25 yards can have serious consequences on my elevation accuracy and in the field the difference between 100 yards and 125 yards (and especially further out) is tough to judge. Having a little wiggle room IMO is important. That being said, shooting slugs gives me some flexibility as the damage incurred on my quarry is high.

Air guns are amazing, but they are still air guns. When it comes to killing quarry it pays to go as big as possible, and even then it's no guarantee. Like most comparisons between pb's and ag's, everything is amplified with ag's. Instead of 400 yards it's 100 yards, killing energy is reduced, and variables like trajectory & wind come into play where with a pb they do not. I can shoot flat for a long ways with my .308 pb with no elevation adjustment needed. Not so with the Texan. My personal thoughts on hunting game are go as big as you can within reason and be satisfied with the parameters that your gun operates under. To do otherwise minimizes your hunting experiences and is unethical to the quarry pursued. It's a balancing act. A .30 cal. gun is significantly more powerful than a .25. I don' tbase this on numbers, but from my own experience at my home range listening to the impact difference between a .25 FX and a .30 Flex on steel targets.

Everything we do in airgunning is incremental. We strive for little improvements that hopefully add up to making a noticeable change. Game will not always drop upon impact (or at least stay there) and that has to be accepted, no matter the caliber. I think 100 to 150 yards is asking a lot from any .25 caliber gun in field conditions and even .30 cal is pushing it.

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Re: WAR .308 Flex?
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2018, 09:07:25 AM »
Well said!
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Re: WAR .308 Flex?
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2018, 07:04:54 AM »
Well for the most part I’m just trying to build an air gun that will do the job of keeping the buggie bear away from my hens. The idea of to much over kill is is highly under rated when it comes to dispaching critters. This is on my land and any thing that threatens my food supply is dead meat. I’m a Colorado country boy that has hunted and raised my on food for my intire life. We really don’t care about the opion of hoplaphobes in this world. So and when it comes to much killing power you never ha enough.
Thanks for your input.
Just waiting on Jim at war to get back with me.
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Re: WAR .308 Flex?
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2018, 10:11:17 AM »
Buy a W.A.R. Cobra! I have a .25, and I love it. It recently passed the 10,000 round mark, and still shoots as if it were new!
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Re: WAR .308 Flex?
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2018, 09:16:38 PM »
I'm having a second WARP built.  30 cal COBRA  with a 15 or 16 inch barrel (I will have to check what i asked for).  I like the flex but not a carry gun and i take squirrels at over a hundred yards with my 25 Cal 12 inch barrel.  Use a laser range finder.
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Re: WAR .308 Flex?
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2018, 06:18:30 AM »
I'm having a second WARP built.  30 cal COBRA  with a 15 or 16 inch barrel (I will have to check what i asked for).  I like the flex but not a carry gun and i take squirrels at over a hundred yards with my 25 Cal 12 inch barrel.  Use a laser range finder.
Hi just woundering, if the short barrel kind of defeats the purpose of the power potential of the 30? What velocity are you looking for?
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Re: WAR .308 Flex?
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2018, 10:30:18 AM »
Kevin, this is well said.

My .25 pop air rifles are happy from 25-35 yards, and perhaps 50yards, but longer distances than that, I am not at all confident. Could be that's also because I rarely shoot beyond 35 yards. Gotta find something close to home where I can stretch out, and get comfortable. No doubt the impact of a .25 pellet is way less penetrating and hard hitting at those extended ranges.

This can be (although it shouldn't be) a touchy subject....killing power. Dudes get uber sensitive about it. I've taken a raccoon with one shot from my break barrel Prowler .177 and I've had turkeys run 50 yards after being hit with my .308 Texan. I don't care what anyone says, an air rifle is an air rifle. It's not a firearm and as such it lacks the punch of a powder burner. Period, end of story. Use whatever analogy you want - bicycles to motorcycles, a claw hammer vs. a sledge...whatever. We all strive to get the most power and punch. Just look at the posts from the numbers-oriented shooters and the huge $'s and time spent tweaking just to eek out another few FPE points.

As airgunners we enjoy the appeal that airguns offer. Quiet, cheap to shoot, the novelty of it, etc.  Along with that comes an acceptance of the capabilities of our chosen weapon and the ability to operate within those parameters. It's not easy. Like they say in baseball, 'the "hard" is what makes it great'. There's also a big difference between bench shooting results and field shooting results. For me personally I own a airgun that is capable of shooting great distances. It's a amazingly accurate when shooting off of a bench in controlled conditions and 200 yards is a chip shot. Go out into the field and everything changes. No fixed yardage distances, no perfect rests, and the target is moving or can move at any time.

I've found that sub 50 yards is a gimme with my airguns, but past that my range judgements start to get suspect. Keeping that in mind I tend to aim (speaking about the big bore here) for the biggest area on my game. Not getting my range right by 25 yards can have serious consequences on my elevation accuracy and in the field the difference between 100 yards and 125 yards (and especially further out) is tough to judge. Having a little wiggle room IMO is important. That being said, shooting slugs gives me some flexibility as the damage incurred on my quarry is high.

Air guns are amazing, but they are still air guns. When it comes to killing quarry it pays to go as big as possible, and even then it's no guarantee. Like most comparisons between pb's and ag's, everything is amplified with ag's. Instead of 400 yards it's 100 yards, killing energy is reduced, and variables like trajectory & wind come into play where with a pb they do not. I can shoot flat for a long ways with my .308 pb with no elevation adjustment needed. Not so with the Texan. My personal thoughts on hunting game are go as big as you can within reason and be satisfied with the parameters that your gun operates under. To do otherwise minimizes your hunting experiences and is unethical to the quarry pursued. It's a balancing act. A .30 cal. gun is significantly more powerful than a .25. I don' tbase this on numbers, but from my own experience at my home range listening to the impact difference between a .25 FX and a .30 Flex on steel targets.

Everything we do in airgunning is incremental. We strive for little improvements that hopefully add up to making a noticeable change. Game will not always drop upon impact (or at least stay there) and that has to be accepted, no matter the caliber. I think 100 to 150 yards is asking a lot from any .25 caliber gun in field conditions and even .30 cal is pushing it.
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Re: WAR .308 Flex?
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2018, 09:01:21 PM »
I have discussed it with Jim a WAR and I think  the flex 30 is what I will go with. Jim told me that the 30 comes with then cobra valve and all the new up graded parts at no extra cost. I may add a reg later. For hunting I don't need a lot of shots between fills. He said about 4 weeks from order and deposit. I'm real close to going  the flex 30. Thanks for all the input every one. A lot of good points from every one.
Happy shooting
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Re: WAR .308 Flex?
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2018, 11:00:10 AM »
I'm real happy with my 30 Flex, though if I were you I would go the reg'd route.  You will get more consistent accuracy when pushing the limit (IIRC I'm pushing around 925 fps), won't really matter if you are shooting 75 yards or so.
. It wasn't an option when I ordered mine. I may get one still.
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Re: WAR .308 Flex?
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2018, 05:27:15 PM »
Ya, but on a hunting gun I don’t see the need for a reg. there is more than enough air in a bottle gun to just let it fly. I won’t be shooting 50 or 100 shots at a time. Maybe a mag at a time then top off and wait till more critters to come along. I have 2 regulated 25s for little bunbuns and such. This will be for full power killing.
Happy shooting.
CH
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Re: WAR .308 Flex?
« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2018, 10:19:07 AM »
I have no idea on velocity.  I think it is about 800 which is fine for me.  90% of my shooting is in my backyard and i cant have the pellet carry too far.  The other factor was I want a sling if i am walking around.  Not a LD bench rest gun but it will be fun to play with.
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