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Bullfrog

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Got a new favorite
« on: October 25, 2018, 08:46:17 PM »
I got a .308 Texan SS in my hands today. My long barrel power .30 Flex that I had built specifically for this deer season has been down for the count for a few weeks and I needed a .30 ready to go for hunting. PA had a couple of .308s in stock and I ordered one with some reservations. I've never been a fan of .308 airguns over .300 guns because I prefer shooting pellets to heavy bullets.

Boy am I pleasantly surprised. Its a laser with pellets, both Bob's pellets that I cast from one of his NOE molds, and with 45 JSBs and Polymags. I chronied the 59 grain NOE cast pellets for 10 shots in the 1030s and 1040s on half power on the wheel from a 3000psi fill. I did not chrony the light pellets, but I turned the power up to 2/3rds on the wheel and they're definitely cracking the sound barrier. They're also hole in hole just as tight as any of my other guns out to at least 40 yards. 40 was the furtherest I shot paper with. At 50 yards I shot a 1 inch spinner and couldn't miss.

I'm going to have to do a video so people will believe my results. I'm so tickled with this gun I can't stand it.

Loudness is so so. Not as quiet as my Flexes, but I wouldn't expect it to be when its pushing this much power. When the light pellets crack the sound barrier, they're very loud. The shot cycle sounds like a snap instead of a blast. In comparison to my brother's full sized, R&L shrouded .45 Texan, which does sound like a blast when it shoots, albeit a muffled one.

This is the gun going out with me to kill my first Florida airgun deer under the new regulations with the 59 grain cast pellets.



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Re: Got a new favorite
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2018, 08:48:42 PM »
BTW, I have .45 SS coming in as well. It was always my plan to get a .45 SS. The .308 SS was a last minute decision when I saw PA had a couple in stock this past weekend.

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Re: Got a new favorite
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2018, 05:05:15 AM »
Oh! Boy! You and Steve are going to be communicating. Seems Steve, like you, has been bitten by the big bore bug.

(Hey! That almost rhymes.)
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Re: Got a new favorite
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2018, 04:55:09 PM »
Enjoy your new .308 and soon to come .45 Texan Bullfrog! You are gonna have massive amounts of fun. Holler if you'd like to try any .457 or .458 bullets I have. I have sizers for both. Not sure what a .45 Texan likes.

I have molds for most of these. The three on the left came from Mister Hollowpoint, so I do not have molds for those.


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Re: Got a new favorite
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2018, 07:28:13 AM »
Steve, my brother’s Texan loves the Lee 145 grain button bullets. They’re likely the most accurate round out of his gun. My niece killed Florida’s first airgun whitetail with his Texan shooting a button bullet yesterday. I’ll link the video soon in the hunting section. I’m going to shoot my .45 SS for the first time this afternoon.

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Re: Got a new favorite
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2018, 07:02:35 PM »
Steve, my brother’s Texan loves the Lee 145 grain button bullets. They’re likely the most accurate round out of his gun. My niece killed Florida’s first airgun whitetail with his Texan shooting a button bullet yesterday. I’ll link the video soon in the hunting section. I’m going to shoot my .45 SS for the first time this afternoon.

I have some lighter bullets in .457-.458. These are EPP-UG’s and are 158 grn.I got these from Whyte Leather? Then I bought a Noe mold that spits out a similar 170grn bullet. I originally got the mold for my 909s. The DAQ .458 flings these things FAST, especially if I exceed fill pressure of 3k. Manny the super pig killer swore by these bullets.
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Re: Got a new favorite
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2018, 08:17:36 PM »
I did some shooting yesterday with the .45 SS. Initially my 25 yard groups were tight with the Lee buttons. Then they started spraying a bit. I put the gun up because I need to cast some more bullets, but I suspect that the barrel screws might be loose. I also need to check the baffles. My .308 is still a laser, but both times I've had the shroud off looking around I've seen evidence of baffle strikes. I like that the baffles are metal, as I can simply fix them with a file when that happens, as opposed to plastic baffles that would likely crack. So I do need to make sure there wasn't a baffle strike in the .45.

Here's something I found out yesterday about the .308 that I'm super excited about; its adjustable all the way down to below 80fpe! I think that's phenomenal flexibility. At 80fpe, and even 100fpe, the gun is very quiet with light pellets for relative to the higher power levels. At there's just as much layering at 80fpe as they are at 140fpe (btw, I'm easily getting 1200fps with 45 JSBs and oddly enough they go in the same hole at 25 and 40 yards). Shot count seems high at 80fpe and 100fpe but I haven't shot a full string. Unlike my brother's Texan and my .25 Condor, the power wheel has an amazing amount of control over power. All of the major fps changes come just from the wheel.

At .30/.308 that does the work of both calibers with pellets and bullets, that can be adjusted on the fly in the field from between 80 or less fpe all the way up to 200fpe, and is a tack driver with pellets, is an airgun hunter's dream IMO.
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Re: Got a new favorite
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2018, 08:44:21 PM »
I've been watching this closely. My welder for the BWSC's was trying to get me to try pellets through the .308 Texan for the longest time. I was convinced that it was strictly a slug shooter so it's good to know that results can be achieved with pellets. For most shooters it may not apply; range is shorter, it's going to be cracking, and the pellets are pricey. However, we all have specifics needs and situations. I have a insanely accurate .25 cal that works great for everything 50 yards and under. Maybe some don't and the ability to shoot smaller game without using slugs is an advantage, especially on lower power using less air and sending projectiles into orbit.

Personally I don't see a big advantage for pellets for me, but you never know. There may come a time when a need arises. The tipping point for me would be accurate range. If a squirrel, turkey, or similar can be taken easily at 75 to 100 yards then I might take a look.

I'm going to try to shoot some groups this week using my new JB regulator and I will post the results. My camera is broken on my phone so my results will have to be just verbal. :(
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Re: Got a new favorite
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2018, 04:15:26 AM »
it's going to be cracking

When I turned the power wheel way back, my shot string never exceeded 1000fps with the 45 JSBs. At that velocity they weren’t cracking. At that power level my shot string was peaking at 2000psi. At one point on the 2000 psi plateau I turned the wheel back even more and they shot below 700fps.

Mind you I’m using the SS model with the shorter barrel.

The advantage I see is that the gun’s ability to stack pellets at whatever power I wish with the ability to also shoot slugs or heavy cast pellets well makes it an all purpose hunting gun. I can put a handful of .30 pellets in my pocket and walk the woods looking for squirrel. I might kill 5 or 6 and barely use much of my air reserve. If a nice buck unexpectedly steps out, I can quietly cock the gun, turn the power wheel up, and drop a heavy projectile in and take the deer.

The gun can run from 80fpe to 200fpe in the same hunting trip. As of yet, I’ve owned no airgun that’s had the ability to change power so dramatically in the field. Even my .30 Flex, before I regulated it and put in a Cobra valve, only had a practical power range between 70fpe and 112fpe. After upgrading the gun for regulation, it very much became a dedicated 70-90fpe gun. A great pellet shooter. But not a heavy slug gun.

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Re: Got a new favorite
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2018, 07:34:39 AM »
Excellent point. The more versatility the better. The same scenario is what I always admired about the .50 Dragon Claw. It's a great short range slug shooter with a lot of power and also launches bolts with no modifications. Two guns in one that can be used different ways at the same time.

I'm glad that there is some positive feedback on the .308. I've had to soldier on for a year and a half of feeling 'alone in the cold' trying to get the .308 to perform. It's been a daunting task for a rookie who's first PCP was the .308 Texan.

Keep up the good work. I'm the first to admit that I'm not one of the gifted techies that frequent this forum and others. That being said, I've got thousands of shots through my gun and have learned a lot through tears, time, money, and what is showing on the paper. If I can offer you any of my data or results to advance your learning curve and/or make better use of your time and money I'd be happy to.

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Re: Got a new favorite
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2018, 09:27:44 AM »
Between the two of you guys, you could, if you have the time and gumption, write up an Airforce .308 Texan FAQ. That would help many others continuing down that path.  :)
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Re: Got a new favorite
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2018, 07:24:16 PM »
I'm game. I'm thinking I may do a first impression video first. I haven't had the gun long enough to give it a proper review. And I think I'm going to need to demonstrate what I'm talking about. As where I'm asserting that this .308 SS seems to be one of the finest .30 pellet shooters I've seen, I got a feeling I'm going to need to show it in action before its believed.

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Re: Got a new favorite
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2018, 06:57:26 AM »
I've often thought about trying pellets in my .308. I just couldn't justify the price of a tin just to test them. Now that I've upped it's power don't think I'd want to shoot them as I think it would be to much power for them. Maybe if I had some of the casted pellets from an NOE mold I may turn it down (change spring) after hunting season and try some.
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Re: Got a new favorite
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2018, 07:57:17 AM »
I'm with you on the pellets for now. The cost of a tin and diminished performance doesn't really make it a viable options for me personally. However, it's got me thinking about using lighter slugs. When the .308 came out the 154 gr. slug was all the rage. I've found that to not be the case for me and my setup. I've shot plenty of them and honestly if I was pursuing big game that's what I'd be using.

However, I have been getting better results with lighter bullets. 118's have been the best overall for me and I'm considering getting some 79's now. There have been so few people willing to do the field work for the .308 that I'm basically learning and filling the blanks on my own.

I will be getting some of these lighter slugs this week and as soon as I get some results and shooting time I'll of course share the results here.

One thing that I've never done is lube my bullets. I've seen a lot of posts with a lot of different materials, methods, and results and I'm concerned about adding another variable to my process. I've also considered fire lapping my barrel, but I'm hesitant to do that as well.
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Re: Got a new favorite
« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2018, 03:41:56 AM »

Just showing off some of the gun's potential with sub 100 grain ammo.
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