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Benjamin Rogue Salvagability
« on: January 16, 2017, 06:59:06 AM »
Hello all,

I am not new to the forum, but I have not posted much. I have a question...
In regards to the Benjamin Rogue; have anyone of you or anyone any of you know of, messed with the Rogue and tried to convert it to a standard PCP? What I mean is remove the electronics, put a standard HPA internals in the air reservoir, and a standard trigger assembly on it? I LOVE the design of the Rogue as opposed to the Bulldog, and would love to take on this project if do-able. Thanks for any input.

Joe
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Re: Benjamin Rogue Salvagability
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2017, 08:34:08 AM »
Standard PCP? It is a PCP in my book. Did I miss something?

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Re: Benjamin Rogue Salvagability
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2017, 08:49:40 AM »
Standard PCP? It is a PCP in my book. Did I miss something?

Alan

Maybe you did. The Benjamin Rogue is an electronic Precharged Pneumatic (ePCP). This is not a "standard" PCP airgun; most DO NOT have electronic valves or any other electronic hardware.
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Re: Benjamin Rogue Salvagability
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2017, 08:51:11 AM »
I've never heard of anyone doing that, but I  would talk to Lloyd at airgun lab if you have any questions on
modding the rogue, I haven't seen one first hand but Lloyd actually helped designing the rogue if I remember right.
Lately I've been thinking about setting up a electric solenoid air gun so I'll have to do some looking into the rogue...
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Re: Benjamin Rogue Salvagability
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2017, 08:53:05 AM »
I've never heard of anyone doing that, but I  would talk to Lloyd at airgun lab if you have any questions on
modding the rogue, I haven't seen one first hand but Lloyd actually helped designing the rogue if I remember right.
Lately I've been thinking about setting up a electric solenoid air gun so I'll have to do some looking into the rogue...

Thank you for that sir; I will see about contacting this Lloyd gentleman.
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Re: Benjamin Rogue Salvagability
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2017, 09:49:15 AM »
I guess I'm still confused. Although I've never owned an electronically-controlled airgun, there are decided advantages if the design answers most to the mechanical issues without adding a bunch of new ones.

I predict that one day, someone will incorporate a piezo valve into an airgun. When they do, valve timing within a microsecond will become reality. I can even envision using a strain gauge to measure chamber pressure as a means of controlling the velocity as well. These types of features cost monies to be sure, but in the long run electronics will prevail.
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Re: Benjamin Rogue Salvagability
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2017, 09:54:21 AM »
I've never heard of anyone doing that, but I  would talk to Lloyd at airgun lab if you have any questions on
modding the rogue, I haven't seen one first hand but Lloyd actually helped designing the rogue if I remember right.
Lately I've been thinking about setting up a electric solenoid air gun so I'll have to do some looking into the rogue...

Thank you for that sir; I will see about contacting this Lloyd gentleman.
i had one for 8 months or so, when I first started.  I'm not sure that removing the electronics is the first thing I would try.  I would look for the first generation that allowed you to tune / time the dwell open time and then I would put an aftermarket barrel on it.  Everything that I have been reading about Standard Air rifles is trying to get rid of the hammer bounce.  With an electronic valve there is no bounce.  I think that Daystate made one as well, in .22? 

I could only get round balls to group with my Rogue.  At 50 yards they were in the 10 ring.  Nothing like my marauder or other toys Quarter or less.  But again the weak link I think was the barrel.

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Re: Benjamin Rogue Salvagability
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2017, 09:54:47 AM »
Lloyd did a great job on his design of the Rogue.... but Crosman's bean counters "improved" it.... I think it was simply ahead of its time, the market was not ready for it, even had the production model worked flawlessly.... Lloyd's company is called "AirGunLab" you can find contact info for him there.... http://www.airgunlab.com/contact

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Re: Benjamin Rogue Salvagability
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2017, 11:38:33 AM »
Hello all,

I am not new to the forum, but I have not posted much. I have a question...
In regards to the Benjamin Rogue; have anyone of you or anyone any of you know of, messed with the Rogue and tried to convert it to a standard PCP? What I mean is remove the electronics, put a standard HPA internals in the air reservoir, and a standard trigger assembly on it? I LOVE the design of the Rogue as opposed to the Bulldog, and would love to take on this project if do-able. Thanks for any input.

Joe
Hi Joe,
            well another Joe posting a link to a web site and they have what you want ready to go.  Regulated .357 with standard Hammer...   And as a bonus it has a L.W. barrel.  So I have no Idea what they cost or anything.  But the PolyMags like that barrel!!!!

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WAR .25 Marauder
Broadening my Horizions
.22 Brocock Super 6 XL
.25 BSA Scorpion Huma Reg.
.25 Air Arms Extra FAC

WAR .22 Marauder, Huma, LW Hammer,  Rapid 70 Bull  Stolen
Flex .30  Stolen

Yes I still have an ICQ Number.  Raise your hand if you do.