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Rollo

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Advice on getting into big bore
« on: January 31, 2017, 04:57:20 PM »
I'm interested in a big bore, probably .357, for predators and hogs.  I'm looking for quiet, accuracy and bang for buck.  Looking to get in under $1k.  Plan on hand pump at first (if doable) but getting a tank when I can find one.  I like the price and look of the Benji Bulldog but haven't heard much discussion on it.  Please direct me in the right direction if you don't mind..
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Prouzy

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Re: Advice on getting into big bore
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2017, 07:42:56 AM »
I think its somewhat personal and relative.  The greatest response you will probably get is regarding hand pumping and how its near impossible.  It simply depends how much work you are willing to put into shooting your big bore, related to the volume of shooting you plan on doing.  There is quite an accomplished hunter on the forums who hand pumps, and does not view it as a limitation, it seems.  I too have pumped big bores in all calibers, and although it takes a great deal of effort, its certainly possible.  When shooting volume, I use a tank, and in fact rarely hand pump any longer due the the volume of shooting I do.  Another option is "hybrid" by using a scuba tank to fill up to tank pressure and completing with hand pump.  I say that because you can acquire a scuba tank for short money vs a carbon fiber (certainly you can find used and buddy bottles- good for hunting and PA has the refurb complete set up for $254, I believe).

If your $1000 budget includes all equipment, your choices will be somewhat limited but certainly includes the option your commented Bulldog.  There are some discussions of the Bulldog on GTA and AGN you might find useful.  The Sam Yang Recluse is another option on that price point with a history of accuracy as well as upgrade options for power and shot count enhancement (tune by Will Piatt, self tune, AAO kit).  Both the Evanix Rex and Airforce Texan .357 have had some reported issues in the accuracy outcomes, but you may also find some other .357 Evanix models used/on sale for sub $1,000, eg PA has the Evanix RSII .357 less than $900 with -10% coupon.  Depending on your intended ammo, size/distance of your prey, you may also want to consider other calibers.  For example, the .30 may meet your intended requirements while also providing more shots per fill, etc. 

Decisions, decisions............often times when you ask a question, it generates more questions  ;D

Rollo

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Re: Advice on getting into big bore
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2017, 03:40:51 AM »

Decisions, decisions............often times when you ask a question, it generates more questions  ;D
Exactly!  And the answers I've received have led to other questions and other products.  I just purchased a 100 cf steel scuba tank for filling on the bench and will later probably get a CF buddy bottle for the field.  So with that covered I may look into a larger caliber.  Thanks Prouzy!
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Prouzy

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Re: Advice on getting into big bore
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2017, 05:30:15 AM »
Lol! Youve already compromised in purchasing the tank :-) I have that tank as well, hence if you chronicle all my posts on my airguns, they are all 3000psi.

As mentioned in another forum, the .30 is a great caliber for pellet shooters (I too have the Rainstorm .30) but if you are planning to stretch way beyond 100yd and want any sort of energy retention, you are probably considering a bullet shooter. I also concur what was said regarding going to 200+fpe gping that distance and taking body shots on larger prey (big piggies +). An Airforce .257 conversion could be a nice option for distance on yotes and maybe pig, and being able to fill to 3000-3500psi, while being under $1000. Of course a .457 would also be an option in the price range and power.  While being a different caliber, it has the ability to reach out there for a 3000psi fill.

So if the funding, air, and caliber levels have changed, so have options  :)

Rollo

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Re: Advice on getting into big bore
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2017, 06:43:30 PM »
Well, after playing with the Benji Bulldog today I'm not convinced it's going to be my choice.  It's good looking, light and compact.  But the accuracy on this particular dog isn't working for me.  I've tried the 82 gr. Grizzly and 82 gr. JSB Diablo domed as well.  JSB's have always shot better in my Mrods and I've heard they are superior in the Bulldogs as well.  Not the case with my dog.  Better than the H&N but not what is claimed.  6" groups @ 50yds at best.  Starting pressure is 3k in 5 shot groups.  It does seem to settle down around 2700 but not for long.  Gonna play with it at bit more.  I'll try the Nosler 142 polytips and see what that does.  I'll also break out the Chrony.

Right now Cedric's video of his custom Badger .375  is impressive.  Prousy, your PBBA is interesting as well...

Decisions, decisions.....
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Prouzy

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Re: Advice on getting into big bore
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2017, 04:50:07 AM »
I would definitely get on the chrony, checking for consistency first to be sure your groups are being shot with similar fps.  I would also try different starting fill pressures. I would also check with Nick at Nielsen Speciality Ammo, as he might have some insight to any ammo he has that might be working.  Maybe do the the same with Bob Vogel (MrHollowpoint), I cant recall of he did anything either.  Trenier carries the Aeromagnum, which also might be a good choice. Lastly, check Airguns.net and go to the classifieds.  Rick Morrill sells a .357 sampler pack for short money. 

Even given all that, it would be best if you know exact measures of you barrel, to size appropriately. Worst cast, and can be used for future .357 and other calibers, is the NOE bushing push through die set, with a few .357 inserts that you size differently (set is $40 then you just buy the different bushing-$10 and rod-$8). You can buy various sizes, eg .358, .357, .356 but being out one more decimal will be potentially helpful. I think Paul Capello also shot some AV amd Noslers.

Yep, Cedric's Badger is the bomb! Even though hes probably into around $1000 or so, it shot very well out of the box! I was actually on the list for one of the first ones, then cancelled.  Ordered again, cancelled again-lol I was wanting something and couldnt wait any longer  ;D Live and learn! Plus, I was going to do something similar as Cedric and figure Id be well over $1000 anyway. Also, I was "air challenged" and really needed 3000psi fill, hence ending up with PBBAs.

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Re: Advice on getting into big bore
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2017, 03:59:24 PM »
Chrony wasn't working for me today.  Was cloudy so must not be enough light.  Unfortunately my range is too far from my house for me to run power and hang a light.  Wasn't interested in doing that today.  Still, the Bulldog isn't behaving like I expect it to.  Did manage to settle into some 4" groups at 50 yds.  Just really bizarre.  I've tried different hammer spring settings as well.  Not much effected the grouping but I really wish my Chrony would work.  I would occasionally get a 2 shot sub 1" group around 2500psi.  That was best I could do.  AND it was with all 3, the JSB's, H&N's and the Nosler polytips.  I'm thinking a whacky regulator???  But sometimes there are some real zingers out there, like 8" high and left or right.  I'll try another scope but this Hawke came off of my .25 Mrod and it's a tack driver.  Sorry but just venting.  Probably needs it's own thread.  I'm not posting any further until I get my Chrony working again...
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Prouzy

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Re: Advice on getting into big bore
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2017, 05:03:52 AM »
No apology for ranting, its your thread and we are here for that too  ;D I think the chrony can at least shed some light.  Big bores seem to exagerate similar issues we have with small, given many have longer barrels, greater air requirements per shot, etc. I hope you find it, sure can be frustrating!

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Re: Advice on getting into big bore
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2017, 04:52:37 AM »
There are getting to be a few different big bores out there some very good and some not so good some expensive and some cheaper some with a lot of power some a bit on the weaker side of power some with nice wood some with not so nice wood some with great triggers some with not so good triggers some that shoot a lot of different bullets some that have only one or two that shoot good. Many choices to make I would suggest do a lot of research and get the air rifle that fits your needs and budget. Have you checked out the Extreme yes more expensive but they do have some very nice features on them feel free to e-mail me or call me I will answer any questions you may have even if they are not question about the Extreme. Just like seeing new interest in the big bore world.
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