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« on: September 02, 2016, 07:46:23 PM »
Hi All,

In my introduction a member asked to see some of my shooting vids.....I posted this link to 15 video's on my YouTube Channel over the past 15 months shooting Long Range. I will post here and in the Long Distance Thread.

 I shoot a highly customized AirForce Condor, in .257 .....I have shot several times to over 1000 yds.

I am NOT A VIDEOGRAPHER with PRO LOOKING VIDEOS. I am a shooter with pocket camera I put at the target and afterwards give a LONG VIEW of the distance shot. Been on the WORLD WIDE GTA forums and as far as I know, there is no one that shoots an airgun further to hit what they are aiming at.....Comments Welcome....

Link to VIDEOS.....click on 15 of them to watch https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLiuDTa_dWi_G0gAnRAlByuEBFfQ-B44CY

Pic of gun... I shoot from Portable table at times depending on distance since I have a raked target area. Pic is gun having just shot at 1000 yds. Focus at infinity, no do not see end of barrel ;).....Carl

« Last Edit: September 04, 2016, 08:21:34 AM by rifle 50 »


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Re: .257@Extreme Distances
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2016, 07:26:15 AM »
Hey Carl,

Glad to see you joined us and the rifle still looks great.

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« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2016, 06:35:55 PM »
Hey Carl,

Glad to see you joined us and the rifle still looks great.

Joe

Thanks. Nice to be here. 
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« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2016, 07:02:35 PM »
What barrel are you using?
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« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2016, 05:01:43 PM »
What barrel are you using?

I DON'T use airgun barrels........I have 3 barrels. Each a different rifling configuration, all different,  and are from 3 different premium barrel makers. All who make for 1000 yd benchrest, High Power, and F-Class  Powder competitions.......Pick any one of the top 4 barrel makers or so  in USA, and you will be good. But that is just a barrel blank and straight cylinder......Mine are 34" long and that is a PREMIUM LENGTH and they are $650 each....Then have to be turned down to fit in the AirForce Condor and cut again for Hammer riding portion and finally cut for the BREACH BOLT to ride. That is another $250 at gunsmith machining. Or, $900 for barrel alone.

Average airgunner is NOT going to pay $250 more for a barrel than entire CONDOR costs  :D

The 3rd barrel and gun will get this week as almost done profiling the barrel. That one is only 25" long and will be tested to see how accurate it is out to 400 yds for hunting. It's rifling is like NO OTHER BARREL on an airgun period. I have a powder rifle with one and is so good that got me researching for air, and  company provided one gratis for testing.....If it proves out and Believe it will, the COMPANY will FLUTE me one for weight reduction and further testing, then will offer them for sale ........I will report and give links for that one by years end if all works out?

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« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2016, 06:02:19 PM »
Well, alrighty then.
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« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2016, 07:23:58 PM »
Interested to see the third barrel results..... hope it works out!
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« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2016, 07:43:27 PM »
Interested to see the third barrel results..... hope it works out!

Mu gunsmith is all excited about this barrel........He called today and  i should have in day or two as, finished stock, beefed frame all done and he started turning barrel today.....Turning it, then will crown and chamber and expect to get in couple of days.......It was 26" and will finish near 25".....Only was interested this short for those that HUNT. Incredible barrel in my powder rifle with their UNIQUE RIFLING. When I inquired about purchasing for my airgun build, owner of company had seen videos of mine with air and said I didn't have to buy it, they would donate a barrel for testing and if it went well give me another deeply fluted to max, to make it lighter......All he asked was that I provide drawing of the machining necessary to fit an AIRFORCE CONDOR and they COULD PROVIDE ready turned for sale.......Straight profile for other guns,would be even easier .....They were interested as had no market in airguns..... SO that is where that is at.....

Expect to actually be testing at 100 yds by weeks end?   It should be excellent to at LEAST 300 yds?  I am half way excited myself......

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« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2016, 08:33:52 PM »
Maybe I'll need to get a condor later on for hunting Coyotes   ::)
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« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2016, 12:46:09 PM »
Maybe I'll need to get a condor later on for hunting Coyotes   ::)

They are killing yotes to 300 yds now with a .257...... NOT PELLETS!!

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« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2018, 05:38:38 PM »
Hi Mr Carl I have been inspired by your condor big time! Long range shooting is my forte but....now I would like to carry it over to airguns instead of firearms. I'm newish to airguns after buying and modding a few and realizing there potential for power accuracy and how quiet they could be I am obsessed. It's way more of a challenge to shoot air rifles long range then buying a firearm and understanding moa's and using a ballistic calculator. My goal is to turn a condor into a long range airgun (up to 400-500yds with at LEAST moa accuracy.) I had a few questions if you don't mind. I will buy a condor this thursday. Can I use a .257 tj barrel or lothar Walther and get moa to even possibly sub moa accuracy? I understand you use a firearm precision rifle barrel is that necessary? Im very confused on how you get accuracy up to 1100 yds either unregulated because of the difference in elevation with your es or where you can get a regulator to allow a high enough bar for you to shoot at the speeds you need. If a regulator which one and which bar is it set to? Also if I want to shoot up to 400 yds with accuracy what would I need a certain fps? I am trying to contact Doug Noble hopefully I can find a way soon to contact him.
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« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2018, 09:57:30 PM »
I have 2 TJ barrels and are NOT ACCURATE. The Lothar BBLS are for pellets and .250" bore I believe and are choked so Lothar are not what you want..Doug Noble has some (TJ) and work for him and others have them too.. Is why I went to premium barrel as both mine the bore was not drilled straight, but then premium bbl has to be machined and fitted to work in Condor Frame. Airguns are NOT like Powder Rifles.....I shot F-Class to 1000 yds for years and No air rifle will give moa accuracy CONSISTENTLY at 400-500 yds, or mine don't. I can bang the steel easily on the RAMS at 500 meters, but paint white and see hits, and have shot moa but then shoot a group all over the steel.....I can  break CLAYS at 550-600 yds easily BUT Shoot  close with a lot of misses too?

I always shoot regulated off bench through external regulator. I got mine here http://www.airtanksforsale.com/  Need to scroll down 60% of page to see and have to call to order........Like $500.....For my 85 gr and 92  gr I use 3500 psi, and have 4350 psi CF TANKS..Lighter bullets I use less or what ever your barrel is best accuracy at. Mine was 92 gr 1005 fps, 85 gr 1025 fps, 74 gr 1050 fps......

Doug Noble for VALVE, HAMMER, Spring is about another $350. Doug's e-mail is   
Doug Noble (dyotat100@aol.com)

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Hi Mr Carl I have been inspired by your condor big time! Long range shooting is my forte but....now I would like to carry it over to airguns instead of firearms. I'm newish to airguns after buying and modding a few and realizing there potential for power accuracy and how quiet they could be I am obsessed. It's way more of a challenge to shoot air rifles long range then buying a firearm and understanding moa's and using a ballistic calculator. My goal is to turn a condor into a long range airgun (up to 400-500yds with at LEAST moa accuracy.) I had a few questions if you don't mind. I will buy a condor this thursday. Can I use a .257 tj barrel or lothar Walther and get moa to even possibly sub moa accuracy? I understand you use a firearm precision rifle barrel is that necessary? Im very confused on how you get accuracy up to 1100 yds either unregulated because of the difference in elevation with your es or where you can get a regulator to allow a high enough bar for you to shoot at the speeds you need. If a regulator which one and which bar is it set to? Also if I want to shoot up to 400 yds with accuracy what would I need a certain fps? I am trying to contact Doug Noble hopefully I can find a way soon to contact him.
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