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Title: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: rsterne on May 07, 2016, 09:00:21 AM
I have proposed this challenge on a couple of other Forums, but very few have accepted it, and fewer still managed to accomplish it.... It isn't my idea, it came from a Rimfire Forum, where somebody got tired of always hearing "I can put 5 shots in a dime all day at 50 yards" and said "prove it!".... Only a very few managed it with a .22LR, and the challenge is even more difficult with an airgun.... Here is the target.... EDITED FOR CLARITY: The target is to be shot outdoors....

(http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo221/rsterne/Targets/Target%20Guild%205_zpsxxk2rso4.jpg) (http://s378.photobucket.com/user/rsterne/media/Targets/Target%20Guild%205_zpsxxk2rso4.jpg.html)

Print if out on 8.5 x 11 paper (I recommend 65 lb.) and shoot 25 shots at it at 50 yards (or more).... Shoot 5 shots at each target, 25 shots total, PERIOD, no sighters (use another, separate target card if you need those).... POI doesn't matter, and in fact I would sight in my gun so that the group is just below each target so it doesn't ruin the POA.... The challenge is to be able to cover each 5-shot group completely with a dime.... and to do that 5 times on one piece of paper, with no other holes in the paper, and nothing sitting on the paper to possibly cover anything up.... You can draw a circle with a pen or pencil around your dime to prove that it covers the group, and then photograph or scan the target and post your results....

This is a very simple challenge in concept.... but not easy to do.... The group size, C-T-C when you are using a .22 cal is 1 MOA or less.... While a .177 group that fits under a dime would be just over 1 MOA, and a .25 cal just under, that should make up for the lighter calibers being slightly more affected by the wind, so I think it is fair for everyone.... doesn't matter anyway, it's my rules.... *LOL*.... Participation is completely on the Honour System, so please make sure you are shooting at 50 yards or more if you accept this challenge.... There is a link to a .pdf file below you can download and print from should you choose.... If you print full size from that file, the diagonal measurement of the black squares is the same size as a dime.... GOOD LUCK !!!!

Bob

PS, here is a list of those who have successfully completed this challenge.... I will list the rifle, caliber, and position/bags/rest/vice if I have that information.... CONGRATULATIONS TO THEM !!!

Dairyboy - Dec. 6, 2016 - Mutant PCP / Vice / .22 cal.
Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: ShakySarge on May 07, 2016, 09:22:17 AM
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm...... Challenge,..........................................................accepted. Now, to save that PDF to a drive and off to kinkos after my 4-wheeler session with the guys across the interstate!!!!


Matt
Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: grumpy on May 07, 2016, 10:17:58 AM
Next time im on the range I will definitely accept this challenge Bob !

It may be a while till I get out but in the mean time these were way back when I got my Wolverine. It was fricking cold and windy as hell and I had not learned to control the muzzle flip yet.

(http://airgunsforum.com/picture.php?albumid=9&pictureid=305)

Was trying to get these inbetween some serious gusts. Gave up casue I couldn't feel my hands no more..
(http://airgunsforum.com/picture.php?albumid=9&pictureid=306)
Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: ShakySarge on May 07, 2016, 11:29:06 AM
Yes, I remember not very long ago when Clifford gave me the honor of purchasing his .25 Brod............. first thing I did was mount scope, zero and check grouping, didn't like it, chrony time, adjusted for speed, re zeroed, shot 6 round group, and well, CTC 0.258 at 50Yds. I could not complain. Now, to attempt to do that on all five targets!!!! Gonna have to work on my shaking a bit!

(http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u499/inaslump1/Airguns/Brod/E3D29BB3-5CD1-49B1-AE8B-95462A44B357_zps0kemwswa.jpg) (http://s1070.photobucket.com/user/inaslump1/media/Airguns/Brod/E3D29BB3-5CD1-49B1-AE8B-95462A44B357_zps0kemwswa.jpg.html)

Matt
Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: rsterne on May 07, 2016, 11:30:41 AM
Doing it 5 times in a row is the trick....   ;)

Good Luck to all who try.... I haven't succeeded, BTW.... but one guy has done it with a Springer....  :o

Bob
Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: ShakySarge on May 07, 2016, 11:40:06 AM
Dang, I got to catch up then! We can't have no light-sider showing us up!
Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: Monkeydad1969 on May 08, 2016, 06:40:32 AM
Well if one is using a PCP, are they allowed to tether or refill after each shot?  I know some guys PCP's have been setup with limited shot count.  I myself say just go for it, but then I'm not much of a paper puncher.

Joe
Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: ShakySarge on May 08, 2016, 07:13:16 AM
That is a very good question indeed. Although I have more than 500cc, I am set up for POWER. This may need to be addressed Bob. Considering most Mrod .25 guys struggle to maintain 16 shots in the same group without a bottle.
Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: rsterne on May 08, 2016, 08:24:16 AM
There is no restriction on tethering, refilling after every shot, etc.etc.... It isn't the intention to place a restriction on the gun, sights, gas used (air, Nitrogen, Helium, CO2) or the ammo for that matter, pellets or bullets are both allowed.... After all, a guy shooting a rimfire has a whole box of ammo sitting there.... and they didn't find this challenge easy.... Drag out any airgun you like and have a go....  ;)

Bob
Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: Rdsail on May 08, 2016, 05:21:49 PM
I would love to do this but I can only shoot to 40 yards :) I would love to do it with my FT gun but I have to wait for a non windy day.
Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: oldpro on May 09, 2016, 09:44:03 AM
 Ill try it at the GTA fun shoot this week
Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: Windmeister on May 13, 2016, 09:00:00 AM
Oldpro - you got a Device now!!!
Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: sixshootertexan on May 13, 2016, 04:36:21 PM
I'll have to print one out and give it a shot.
Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: ncrary on May 13, 2016, 06:21:33 PM
I will give this a shot with my Mrod, but will definitely give it a go when my R10 gets here next week.
Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: DonC23 on May 13, 2016, 07:45:45 PM
Even though it wont count since I only have 25 yd max range...the target looks cool and thanks for the download, It should be good for me to try and learn with.
Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: sixshootertexan on May 17, 2016, 04:51:07 PM
Well I practiced today but only got nickel size groups.
Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: Dairyboy on May 21, 2016, 08:31:28 PM
Ok so I decided to practice for this today. Man this is no joke extremely difficult. I filled to middle of my shot string and should have filled all the way full. Regardless I'm pretty happy with these 5 shot groups from a magazine in my .22 Mrod. Shooting JSB 18s at 845~. 50yds but went to 51 just to be sure. One shot on group #2 I pulled. I obviously have a huge poi problem that I need to get figured out.
Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: rsterne on May 21, 2016, 09:56:11 PM
Yeah, it's not as easy as people think it is....

Bob
Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: jhm757 on June 13, 2016, 06:56:22 PM
I gave it a try today. Failed!!!

It was late afternoon and the winds were starting to die down, but still gusting pretty good.

I would love to try this on a 50yd indoor range. It would be nice to see how me and the .25 SynRod could do without the wind.

I was shooting the 25.39gr JSB kings @ about 950fps. Using 30yd targets but set at 50yds.

Jim - jhm757
Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: rsterne on June 13, 2016, 07:37:45 PM
Although I didn't specify outdoors in the original challenge, I did make reference to the wind a couple of times in the preamble.... and it says "Wind" right on the target.... Since nobody has yet accomplished this challenge, I am going to add the stipulation that it has to be outdoors.... as that was my original intention.... Very few would have access to a 50 yard indoor range anyway.... I will edit the first post to reflect that....

BTW, Jim, nice try.... better luck next time....

Bob
Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: jhm757 on June 13, 2016, 08:27:56 PM
I would still love to try this indoors just to see how much difference it would make even if it wouldn't count.

No 50yd indoor ranges around me anyway that I know of.

Just rereading the rules and I see groups must be completely covered by the dime that means nothing showing from under the dime.

Yup! That will be challenging!

I will be looking for a dead calm day to try again.

Jim - jhm757
Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: Bruce on June 20, 2016, 03:04:42 PM
Darn I need to get the old .177 Diana Model 48 out. In the old days I could do that regularly.. now.. i bet not.. Especially with the 48.

My best group with the 48 was about 20-25 years ago and it was 3 shots in .087 ctc had lots of sub 1/2" groups to the odd 1/4" groups also... but since the car accident things are shakey due to the left arm vibrating due to some severed nerves..... Gota get back practicing and maybe get some more 1/4" groups at least sub 1/2" groups.

Need to get the spring singing again....

Bruce
Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: critter on June 23, 2016, 04:39:19 PM
Hi Bruce poking me in the eye about them 48 .177....lol. some things never change longtime hope all is smooth in Canada

Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: Bruce on July 03, 2016, 06:04:24 PM
Nice to see you Tom! Not trying to get ya going with the 48.. I think anyone that shoots over 60,000 shots from the same gun has to be close to mastering it. IMO 60,000 for me at least was the limit for the compression chamber. Now time to get back at practice to achieve the 5 in a dime at 50m with a springer.

B
Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: Bob La Londe on September 19, 2016, 12:59:24 PM
I'll leave the excuses about wind, a shaky table, and the fact I didn't have a dime handy. 

I decided to give it a shot anyway.  I didn't quite make the challenge today.  Actually I had a few groups after this that might have met the challenge, but I figured they don't count.  Besides the paper was so shot up by the time I put the Cricket away that You guys would have just said I picked the best "random" group and circled them.  LOL. 

I got out a measuring wheel and marked out 50 yards exactly from my back overhead door sill on the shop.  Then I put some fresh targets on my target box and walked it out there.  (Its stuffed with styrofoam, and has 2 layers of 1/2" aluminum plate in the back.)   

I shot one group to get a feel for the wind and the range, then I shot a second group for the five on a dime challenge.  It is pretty breezy with storm front coming in, but I felt like I could have compensated. Bottom right group was getting a feel for the range and the wind.  Top right group was my five on a dime.  Well not quite.  It was a penny and the stray threw that out anyway. 

Then I just shot a bunch for fun. 

This was with a bone stock Cricket .25 shooting Exact King 25.39 over 1000 FPS.  (varies from 1040-1100)  Actually I still haven't shot this gun over the chronograph for some reason, so I am still relying on the slip that was in the box with the gun.  It shoots pretty flat compared to my 900FPS Marauder so maybe it is shooting that fast. 

Anyway, here is the target. 
Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: Dairyboy on September 19, 2016, 01:21:52 PM
Good attempt! I need to try this again whenever I get the time. The regulated bottled disco should be able to do it if I can
Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: rsterne on September 19, 2016, 08:16:08 PM
Remember, guys, the challenge is to shoot five separate 5-shot groups, each one that can be completely covered by a dime, all on one piece of paper, with no other holes or anything sitting on the target to cover any part of it.... Please review the rules....

Bob

Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: Bob La Londe on September 19, 2016, 09:35:35 PM
Rulez?  Is there a prize? 
Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: PakProtector on October 12, 2016, 03:21:29 PM
Will try this with the Wasp Major and my .25 Marauder. I'll tether at around 2500 psi. Early Saturday morning likely...hoping it is calm, though King Heavies don't seem to mind much.
Cheers,
Douglas
Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: Bullfrog on October 18, 2016, 08:47:56 PM
I believe I can do it. When I get some more 45 grain JSBs I'll set up the camera and try it. IF I can do it, I'll also make a blooper role for all my failed attempts. It will probably take several. I'll also have to cherry pick my weather conditions.
Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: olddog on December 06, 2016, 10:34:16 AM
This challenge puts me in mind of this target.  It is only at 25 yards though it does require ten vice five dimes.
http://www.oldspooks.com/agstuff/Ten-dimes-challenge.pdf
Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: Dairyboy on December 06, 2016, 11:32:31 AM
This challenge puts me in mind of this target.  It is only at 25 yards though it does require ten vice five dimes.
http://www.oldspooks.com/agstuff/Ten-dimes-challenge.pdf

I bet I can do that challenge with my Mutant!
Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: rsterne on December 06, 2016, 01:47:15 PM
Quote
This challenge puts me in mind of this target.  It is only at 25 yards though it does require ten vice five dimes.
http://www.oldspooks.com/agstuff/Ten-dimes-challenge.pdf

Half the distance and cuts count?.... sorry, not even close to as hard....  ::) .... Interesting we haven't had anyone succeed yet on this challenge in the Guild....

Bob
Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: jhm757 on December 07, 2016, 10:23:27 AM
Quote
This challenge puts me in mind of this target.  It is only at 25 yards though it does require ten vice five dimes.
http://www.oldspooks.com/agstuff/Ten-dimes-challenge.pdf

Half the distance and cuts count?.... sorry, not even close to as hard....  ::) .... Interesting we haven't had anyone succeed yet on this challenge in the Guild....

Bob

Half the distance and cuts count, seems like it should be fairly easy for my SynRod, but don't know when I will get around to trying, as it is winter here in central New York now.

I have tried the 5 on a dime challenge and can't do it. To have 5 shots covered by a dime, No cuts, totally covered, seems almost impossible with the equipment most of us are using.

I can consistently hit paintballs at 50yds, which are about the size of a dime, 
 But the 5 shots in a dime challenge is above my skill level.

Would love to see someone do it. Come on guys give it a try!!

Jim - jhm757

Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: Dairyboy on December 07, 2016, 11:39:20 AM
I just did it! Got a new bench rest and vise lastnite and got it setup to test the Mutant out. 5 separate 5 shot groups at 50 yds all covered by a dime. Bottom center is 5 shot group with my Bwalton .30 to test drop at that distance.

(https://s6.postimg.org/m3ryj065t/IMG_20161206_223522161.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/g2u9lxjjh/)

(https://s6.postimg.org/5u1sg3vht/IMG_20161207_111517646.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/v02qmxwrx/)

(https://s6.postimg.org/sk0x93epd/IMG_20161207_111609283.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/v1cogcylp/)

Even my .30 had 4 shots covered by a dime. First shot was low and right of the others...

(https://s6.postimg.org/hlpnqwq41/IMG_20161207_111618487.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/u0cfr8hm5/)
Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: Christopher on December 07, 2016, 03:22:31 PM
Way to go Dairyboy!! That's some mighty fine shooting.  With Mutant and the .30.
I'm sure it was the gun ::) ;D
Congrats.

Chris
Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: rsterne on December 07, 2016, 04:18:04 PM
Hmmmmmmmmmm.... I don't know what to say.... First of all, it's some mighty fine shooting, that's for sure.... Two things don't comply with the challenge, however.... It wasn't shot on the target supplied, a minor thing really.... It has other holes in the paper (on the bottom center target), which is not allowed, although they do appear to be a larger caliber.... My biggest concern is the bottom right target, where there appears to be a hole at 7 o'clock, right at the edge of the target.... Certainly the black finish is missing over an area large enough to indicate a shot centered just inside of the outer yellow ring, and there is a black mark at the center of that area, right where a shot should be.... I can't tell if the remaining holes that ARE covered by a dime are 4 holes or 5.... If you say there are only 5 holes in that target, and they are all covered by a dime then I will accept that....

I'm going to leave it up to Dairyboy whether he wants to let this stand or not.... I won't turn it down.... However, in future, I will enforce the "no other holes in the target" rule.... and PLEASE use the target in the first post of the challenge.... There is a file there that will allow you to download it and print it out.... I don't want to discourage anyone from trying this challenge and submitting their target.... and it is on the Honour System.... but please try and follow the rules....

Bob
Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: Dairyboy on December 07, 2016, 05:12:56 PM
Bob, I will do an official target. My plan was just testing to see if I could do it more like a practice run. I knew it wasn't up to the rules but I did do 5 5 shot groups at 50 yds all covered by a dime. I will show a close pic of the bottom right target also I know that's how it looks but  it's not.
Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: olddog on December 07, 2016, 09:23:07 PM
Quote
This challenge puts me in mind of this target.  It is only at 25 yards though it does require ten vice five dimes.
http://www.oldspooks.com/agstuff/Ten-dimes-challenge.pdf

Half the distance and cuts count?.... sorry, not even close to as hard....  ::) .... Interesting we haven't had anyone succeed yet on this challenge in the Guild....

Bob
I wasn't suggesting it was as hard as your challenge, just that this challenge reminded me of that one.

(Don't want to side track the thread.)
Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: rsterne on December 07, 2016, 09:35:01 PM
YUP, similar problem, different technology.... but I'm a PCP guy, and I saw no reason that a .22 rimfire challenge could not be done (albeit a bit more challenging) with a PCP.... I just didn't want the thread to get sidetracked....

Bob
Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: Dairyboy on December 07, 2016, 10:22:22 PM
As promised here's the pic showing the bottom right is legit.

(https://s6.postimg.org/odko7i4hd/IMG_20161207_211755539.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/u1qyye8tp/)

(https://s6.postimg.org/fwl5wkzsh/IMG_20161207_211854101.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/5miqxc9wt/)

Like said though this was my first attempt and will definitely do it again on the actual paper.
Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: grumpy on December 08, 2016, 05:54:07 AM
Either way, congrats on the superb shooting.

I'll throw my hat in this ring once I finally get the space to try it.
Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: Bob La Londe on December 08, 2016, 07:03:37 AM
Well, now that I know the Cricket is capable of groups that size I may do most of the challenge, but I probably won't use the official target just because all I care about is the shooting.  I despise being shoehorned into arbitrary rules.  LOL.  It is about the shooting after all.  Its a challenge not a contest.  There are no prizes. 

P.S.  Great shooting Dairyboy.  As far as I am concerned you have shown your gun will do it.  No need to go any further unless you just want to. 
Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: Alan on December 08, 2016, 07:48:48 AM
I don't measure, size, sort, or even worry about pellet uniformity. As a result, the 50 yard groups I shoot often have 2 or 3 fliers out of say every 20 shots, so I couldn't compete even if I wanted to. Nonetheless, my (the WARized .25 caliber Marauder) shots (groups) have been good enough to down well over 250 collared dove this year. And that's proof enough for me!
Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: Dairyboy on December 08, 2016, 08:06:54 AM
Thanks Chris, Dave and Bob. I'm thrilled at the performance of my Mutant. Very fun gun to shoot won't ever get rid of this one

Alan I do agree I'm a hunter 99% of the time and this was just a for fun test/challenge.
Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: rsterne on December 08, 2016, 08:15:35 AM
Congratulations, Dairyboy on being the first on the Guild to accept and complete the "5 shots in a Dime Challenge".... WELL DONE !!!

Happy now, Bob?....  ::)

Bob
Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: grumpy on December 08, 2016, 10:08:50 AM
Geez guys, cut Bob some slack. I know Dairy was not giving him crap, but some of ya all should have read the first post before chiming in. Iffen ya didn't like the post it would have taken 2 seconds  to scroll past it.
Title: Re: 5 Shots in a Dime Challenge
Post by: Dairyboy on December 08, 2016, 10:28:27 AM
Lol it's really not a big deal I didn't do it by the rules he was in the right by pointing that out. My plan was just to see if I could, not for real and to my surprise i did. If I could do it once I can do it again on the challenge paper and no other holes. And I do plan on doing it for real but just might not be for alittle while 20* and wind sucks and snow on the way.