Author Topic: Silencer, Suppressor, Moderator, Lead Dust Collector, You Name It!  (Read 755 times)

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Let us be honest with one another on one very important point—Big Brother is indeed watching!

When George Orwell penned those lines, it was 1949, and Chevrolet had just announced their new Powerglide, semi-automatic transmission, catching Ford flat-footed. Late that year, the first Saab came off the assembly line, and LP records had just begun to steal the vinyl record market.

A little closer to home, Strum, Ruger & Company was formed, and their soon to be famous, Mark I, .22 rimfire automatic was introduced as their first firearm. Even closer to home, the short-lived, Crosman, Model 108 Town & Country Pellet Rifle was introduced.

All of this seems like a distant memory, especially to me, due in part to my 78 year-old set of brain cells. But as I think back, the aforementioned milestones of history, pale in comparison to what has occurred in the last 40 years or so. One of those milestones, was the modern-day (re)development of the PCP airgun.

Pre-Charged Pneumatic airguns date back to the mid 1700s, notably with the Girandoni, as carried by Lewis and Clark. Whether it was the first PCP, remains a mystery. We do know the Japanese developed their own design, in the early 1800s. What we don’t know, with certainty, is what was (is) the first suppressed airgun or its date of manufacture?

We all know that Hiram Percy Maxim designed and patented the first (firearm) suppressor in 1908. The truth is, he had a very hard time selling the device to anyone, much less the military! Who would have thought that 100 years later, they’d be widely used by firearm and airgun enthusiasts world-wide? But what wasn’t anticipated, were airgun enthusiasts arguing about Hiram’s description of his device he called a silencer?

We all know that silencers don’t really silence the muzzle blast from either a firearm or airgun. Rather, they suppress the loudness of the blast, often to a level low enough to prevent hearing damage even without ear protection. It should be obvious that we should call them suppressors. But calling them lead dust collectors or moderators are nothing more than vain attempts of disambiguation!

I started this dissertation with reference to George Orwell’s novel, 1984, and Big Brother is indeed watching! I should add, now more than ever due in part to the advent of digital electronics. In fact, personal surveillance is so pervasive these days, the fed no doubt knows when we go to the bathroom to take a leak, or tinkle, or whatever! So, does the fed really care by what name you call that device at the end of the barrel of your airgun? I seriously doubt it! And think about this!

The trend to high-power airguns has started, along with their ability to shoot bullets almost as powerfully as a firearm. This has also spawned a push by sportsmen to amend game laws to allow their use almost as universally as firearms. I’m of the opinion that this trend could potentially be more damaging to our hobby, than by what disambiguation we give it!

Wherever all of this leads, is perhaps moot. But one thing is for sure; Hiding behind a faux honorific will not protect us from political suppression (pun intended)!


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Re: Silencer, Suppressor, Moderator, Lead Dust Collector, You Name It!
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2018, 11:15:34 AM »
It's a good thing those bulbous things hanging on the end of my airguns are just "muzzle weights".   ;D
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Re: Silencer, Suppressor, Moderator, Lead Dust Collector, You Name It!
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2018, 12:49:59 PM »
Well said Alan
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Re: Silencer, Suppressor, Moderator, Lead Dust Collector, You Name It!
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2018, 04:05:36 PM »
I think it boils down to this:

Suppressors are not illegal if you have paid the government for the permission to own one. Paid is the keyword. It is a method of generating funds for the govt.
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Re: Silencer, Suppressor, Moderator, Lead Dust Collector, You Name It!
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2018, 05:53:18 PM »
In Illinois it is illegal to possess a firearm suppressor, tax stamp or not.
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Re: Silencer, Suppressor, Moderator, Lead Dust Collector, You Name It!
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2018, 09:54:35 PM »
They ARE ... lead dust Collectors  ;D 
take one apart some time that has been in use for a spell .... damn what a dirty mess of lead dust !!

Argument being, while we are doing the environment and our lungs a favor collecting this LD, the device just happens to kill a bit of noise too  ??? so why would we call them by a name sake devise that was developed over 110 years ago for the purpose of silencing  :-\


Of course we know better and this argument is just an exercise in semantics
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Re: Silencer, Suppressor, Moderator, Lead Dust Collector, You Name It!
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2018, 03:00:56 PM »
Excellent points Alan. To be quite frank, what someone decides to call them is merely apples and oranges. My only concern is when we the people are told what we can or cannot call them. Freedom of speech is followed immediately by the people’s right to bear arms for a reason, regardless of who is watching or listening. To merely categorize them as LDCs in the airgun world is rather laughable at best. Some designs do indeed collect the dust but only when it has the internal components to do such. It’s not about making us safe from it, it’s ALL ABOUT noise reduction, period.

Even modern suppressors or silencers on powder burners must be cleaned periodically to maintain noise reduction efficiency. I used them for years on the M4 carbine and every couple of thousand rounds we had to soak them in hoppes and then drain them several times to maintain effective noise reduction. Same goes for whatever is on our air guns. They too must be cleaned in order to maintain efficiency, which, in turn, directly exposes us to the lead and dust deposits.

In closing, I foresee this conundrum for the airgun world to be an eternal plague. This is the one topic that riles feathers. Always has, always will.
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Re: Silencer, Suppressor, Moderator, Lead Dust Collector, You Name It!
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2018, 04:46:57 AM »
Lots of great comments from all, I agree.  I do enjoy telling powder burners friends they can buy
a gun with a silencer on it at the local Walmart, gets their attention.  Then I have to tell them it
is on an airgun, not a fire-arm.
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Re: Silencer, Suppressor, Moderator, Lead Dust Collector, You Name It!
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2018, 12:12:53 PM »
Silencers, short barreled this and that, mg's, etc. If one would like to look up law, US v Miller 1934. Seems he(Miller) was on course to overturn the National Firearms Act (of 1934) but died while incarcerated (on an unrelated charge).
Too bad no-one would take up this discourse. Maybe I don't understand law, nor appeals to the SCOTUS, but maybe it is time to think about this. It would enforce our God-given right, uninfringed and not even need to have this discussion.
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Re: Silencer, Suppressor, Moderator, Lead Dust Collector, You Name It!
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2018, 01:59:32 PM »
Very interesting read all the way through including the comments.
Thanks for starting the conversation, Alan.
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Re: Silencer, Suppressor, Moderator, Lead Dust Collector, You Name It!
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2018, 12:37:08 PM »
Am I the only person who frets over the thought of owning a gun that needs a "tko" or a "sumo" (for example...)  to keep it backyard friendly? 

I currently own two PCPs that are shrouded from the factory for this exact reason.  I'm really, really surprised that we're able to buy these as easily as we do...
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Re: Silencer, Suppressor, Moderator, Lead Dust Collector, You Name It!
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2018, 01:49:42 PM »
There is sort of a side story to this.

There are at least two companies selling one-piece suppressors for airguns (they don't come apart), with the requirement that an airgun must be purchased with the suppressor. And, that the suppressor must be permanently attached to that airgun. My questions is, how do you clean the airgun's barrel? It is yet another example of the stigma associated with suppressors.

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Re: Silencer, Suppressor, Moderator, Lead Dust Collector, You Name It!
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2018, 07:13:43 PM »
You shouldn't have much problem feeding a line through whatever muzzle device to enable pulling a patch through. Just use a longer cleaning line, string, rod, whatever. If a pellet can fly through it, I don't see how a cleaning patch would be a problem, unless the patch were to come off amongst the baffles. Just make sure it's a proper.patch well inserted into your cleaning feed device.
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Re: Silencer, Suppressor, Moderator, Lead Dust Collector, You Name It!
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2018, 03:37:13 AM »
I should have mentioned, that the suppressors in question DO NOT come apart.
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Re: Silencer, Suppressor, Moderator, Lead Dust Collector, You Name It!
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2018, 10:44:36 AM »
I'm not sure if applies, but I used to a jag/patch to clean my big bore. Once I put on the muzzle brake the patch would slip off the jag when pulling it out (the Airforce has to be cleaned through the muzzle) and remain in the brake. I remedies this by using an 'eyed' tip and slipping the patch through the old school way. Maybe the same would apply when cleaning a small bore to avoid the same issue.
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