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d_boom

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Red dot sight capable of target shooting
« on: November 04, 2018, 10:00:13 AM »
I have an FWB 601 with peep sights.  Several guys I shoot with have replaced their peep sights with
scopes on their FWB 601 & 603 target air rifles.  When a scope is mounted on 601 or 603 the loading
gate cover has to be shorten to clear the scope when the rifle is cocked, cover opens, to load a pellet.
I don't want to shorten my loading gate cover to mount a scope I was wondering if their is a red dot
sight which would be suitable for target shooting at 10 meters?  I would want to alternate between
using peep sights and the red dot sight.


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Re: Red dot sight capable of target shooting
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2018, 10:22:51 AM »
You could use a Holographic sight. However, the most common dot size is 1 mil. That's a bit large I would think, but you'll have to decide for yourself. If you pay really big bucks, you can buy one with a .5 mil dot. They're amazingly small, especially in view of their cost, and their battery life is measured in months of 24/7. Decent ones start at about $400, and range up to about $1,900.

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Re: Red dot sight capable of target shooting
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2018, 02:04:42 PM »
Perhaps a magnified 3MOA dot sight would fit? Some are like really tiny scopes. With an offset single arm mount that might allow for loading. I've seen the odd unit at 2x and 3x magnification and I think there's a 4x.

By the way, you probably know this but in case not, dot sights aren't allowed in formal 10 metre competition. Same for scopes. Open sights and irises only. But you knew that...
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Re: Red dot sight capable of target shooting
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2018, 08:38:31 PM »
I use a red dot on one of my 2300KT pistols for informal 5/10 meter shooting.
https://www.pyramydair.com/s/a/CenterPoint_Small_Battle_Enclosed_Reflex_Sight_3_MOA_Red_Dot_Picatinny_Mounts/5792

It has a 3MOA dot were most have 4MOA dot size.
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Re: Red dot sight capable of target shooting
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2018, 05:43:37 PM »
Thanks for all the advise, I have used red dot sights on air pistols, never on an air-rifle.  The size of the red dot
is probably too large for accurate shooting with an air-rifle.  Guess I will stick the peep sights for now, the FWB
601 is not used for any formal target shooting.  I was just looking for an option to help my aging eyesight, with
out using a scope.
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Re: Red dot sight capable of target shooting
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2018, 05:54:00 PM »
A 3MOA dot is definitely too large if you hoped to put a dot on the 10 of a 10m air rifle target, but if you use an 'area hold' such that you normally aim at sub-6 on the target a big dot shouldn't be a problem. Still, if I were trying to use something other than open sights at 10m paper I'd probably go for a 4x scope or a 1MOA dot sight, maybe with 2x magnifier. I've found about 3x magnification with a Leupold scope about ideal on grey squirrels in the yard, and it's rare I have to shoot them outside 12 metres. Usually closer to 7 metres. Open sights on squirrels work at that range... but my eyes aren't getting any younger. Since age 45 I've been wanting magnification for most stuff.
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Re: Red dot sight capable of target shooting
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2018, 07:15:18 AM »
I have a UTG Red/Green dot on my Crosman 2400. At 10 yards the dot is rather large for shooting anything but 1” spinners.  If you turn the power down the dot gets a little sharper and smaller which helps.  Most definitely not for precision work. My 12 year old son loves it though.

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Re: Red dot sight capable of target shooting
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2018, 10:54:05 AM »
Man the way y'all sound the red dot covers up the whole entire target. I shoot the GTA 5 and 10 meter matches with mine and have no problem seeing the 10 ring.
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Re: Red dot sight capable of target shooting
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2018, 11:27:40 AM »
Well, I'm only talking from my experience with two dot sights; the VISM combo green dot and red laser (refused to hold zero with either, gave up on that cheap thing) and the 3MOA Burris Fastfire III. The dot in the Burris appears smaller at the dimmest setting, but that's too dim for outside use in daylight. The second-dimmest setting works nicely and still appears small enough that it's practical for precise shooting out to maybe 10 metres. But the dot completely hides the 9 ring one a 10 metre air pistol target. I once used that to shoot a grey squirrel at 35 metres, but only because I knew the accuracy out of that LW barrel was spot on, the squirrel was sitting upright and absolutely still, I knew my trajectory perfectly thanks to Chairgun, and therefore knew that completely hiding his head with that second-dimmest dot would put the pellet into his heart at that range. He ran a few steps then dropped over sideways.

Since then I've tended to take only head shots, not because of that reasonable result, just that I prefer complete lights out over the heart shot. But seriously, at 35 metres with the Burris, a well respected dot sight which holds zero perfectly, the entire head and upper shoulders of a grey squirrel are gone behind the red dot. And it's weird aiming at something and having it disappear. I much prefer my Burris 2-7x rimfire scope for that chore. Very fine crosshairs for perfectly placed pellets between eye and ear.

When I competed in 10m AP I really liked open sights with a 1+ lens on my Olympic Champion shooting frame, the iris stopped down more than most folks as I'm a guy who likes to aim at where he's shooting so I want to see the front sight and the target both in clear focus. I know it's most recommended to blur the target and just watch that front sight... tried to like that for about six months, trained relentlessly that way, but my scores were just not as good. Same for a few months of sub-6 holding. But it was hard to get within 10 points per match of my best results when using centre hold. I managed three match scores of 553/600 with centre aim in my last season, pretty good but not great. I think I managed 545 once with conventional aiming and focus. So guessing about involving a red dot, it would make sense to me to use a magnified 3x dot 'scope' for centre aim, or if unmagnified then a 1MOA dot, which probably costs a small fortune.
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Re: Red dot sight capable of target shooting
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2018, 11:35:36 AM »
Gerard, I agree with you.

I have a holographic sight on my Ruger 22/45, and even at just one MIL in size, there are times it covers what I'm aiming at. Most LED sights are 3 MIL, unless you buy an expensive one. I have the same issue with MIL dot scopes, especially at high powers. My favorite scope in my Barska 1.5 x 6 x 44. The reticle is very fine, and even at 100 yards, you can still see a squirrel's head easily.

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