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Chinese Copies and Chinese Real rifle scopes
« on: August 08, 2017, 06:15:52 AM »
This is almost comical, but unfortunately it is too pathetic to be comical.

At a recent local gun show, there were several tables selling a myriad of rifle scopes, both import and US made. One caught my eye, because it was a Leupold VX3i in 3x9, for under $220, with a mil dot reticle of all things. Everything looked authentic right down to the gold stripe, and even the factory box looked real. However, there was no serial number, which was a dead giveaway that it was Chinese made! Right next to it was a real Leupold VX3i in 3x9, replete with serial number, selling for $550. The Chinese scope was just as clear and crisp as any authentic Leupold!

I've been told there are only five Chinese companies making rifle scopes, a fact I can't attest to. But if any of them can copy a scope with the quality I noted, I'm wondering if the expense of the "real" thing is warranted? I ask this question for a reason. I wanted to buy a Leupold VX3i in 3x9 with a mil dot reticle. They don't make it as a production model, but they will make it as a custom build. Great! Problem is, they want $1,200 to do it! So, I bought the copy, and I'm satisfied!


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Re: Chinese Copies and Chinese Real rifle scopes
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2017, 10:10:58 AM »
Last year I bought a Leupold VX-1 2-7x scope for about $380 (Canadian) and put it on my QB78D. I'm completely happy with it. At an HFT meet someone asked "Is that an actual Leupold or a Chinese copy?" Until then I hadn't heard of the copies, so I was intrigued and researched this when I got home. Turns out there are a lot being sold legitimately as copies, no false packaging, and there are a lot of others being sold by unscrupulous vendors who pretend they're the real thing. The most prominent complaint I found came from Leupold support, as they've been seeing a LOT of failed scopes coming in for warranty service which are in fact fakes. Quite a few posts in forums as well, many saying the copies are great, many others saying they last a while then fail badly. Seems it is a bit and miss sort of thing. Some fakes work great and just keep on working. Others fail on the first day of use, or some short time later. So a gamble. Certainly not a gamble I'd take, as with such a scope there's no warranty service, while Leupold has a legendary warranty. Mail them a fake and they'll laugh at you.
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Re: Chinese Copies and Chinese Real rifle scopes
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2018, 12:25:55 PM »
My company sent me to China a few years ago. There was one shopping center with a little store that had a number of Leopold scopes. I didn't even bother to look through them. I wish I had now.

Same store also sold lasers. I thought they were just laser pointers like someone would use when giving a presentation. Nope. Pointed these at stuff and pushed the button - things would start burning.

China is notorious for taking products and copying them, or reverse engineering them.  Once upon a time it seemed like anything from China was pretty low quality. Not so anymore. There is still plenty of garbage to be sure, but there are also a lot of really good quality products.

My Dad bought a few thousand  dollars worth of knives from China. He thought he was getting a heckuva deal on the real things.  Started to sell them - found out that they were copies. He wouldn't sell them after that. He's sitting on a lot of money tied up in knives.

I took an XFR tester to determine the metal composition.  Most everything checked out good. I also used a hardness tester on every type he had.   Everything was mid 50's or better on Rockwell C scale, with several being in the 58 - 60 range.

I tried to get him to sell them, just disclose that they were knockoffs - figured if he put the hardness and other such info he'd probably be able to still sell them.  Nope - worried that the genuine brands would be after him. Rightly so I suppose.

Sorry - went off on quite a tangent.

Anyway - yeah, I think there is a lot of good stuff coming out of China nowadays.
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Re: Chinese Copies and Chinese Real rifle scopes
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2018, 04:40:42 PM »
I recently bought a BSA Scope from China.... BSA logos all over the scope and box.... and the kicker was the warranty slip inside said if you had a problem to contact the BSA outlet in the USA.... My guess is that all the BSA scopes of that design are made in China, and some are sold over there, direct to the public, at excellent prices.... Quality was first rate....

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Re: Chinese Copies and Chinese Real rifle scopes
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2018, 09:43:26 AM »
I have 2 of the Discovery scopes.  No complaints.  Both hold zero and the glass is great.

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Re: Chinese Copies and Chinese Real rifle scopes
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2018, 04:10:32 PM »
I want one of the lasers that made things smoke!  Wanted one since Star Trek in the 60's!!!!

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Re: Chinese Copies and Chinese Real rifle scopes
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2018, 04:20:00 PM »
I got into a correspondence with a local guy who designs and builds high powered lasers, about 7 or 8 years ago. Was looking for something to give my brother, a biochemist and amateur astronomer, to help with aligning his scopes. Turns out a simple low wattage green laser is plenty potent for such use, so no need to go to the $1,000+ custom build options. But they're out there. Maybe join a laser builders forum or something. You're bound to have someone nearby who makes wicked things. This local guy was making stuff which could light an apple on fire after a few seconds. Scary power levels. Of course huge power requirements and rather short diode and other component lifespans, with big aluminum cooling fins. These things are a bit bigger than a Star Wars light sabre. But so cool. Still, not something I'd want to stick on an air rifle.
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Re: Chinese Copies and Chinese Real rifle scopes
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2018, 04:32:21 PM »
Well I don't want to backpack a power supply around, so I think I'll try that 5mW, that Alan was bragging on.  Amazon Green for $20!!  Is that the legal limit here?  My first endeavor into this field.  This mutant is a laser so I want to assist it!!

Sorry Alan,
                  didn't mean to hijack your thread!

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Flex .30  Stolen

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Re: Chinese Copies and Chinese Real rifle scopes
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2018, 04:51:48 PM »
Never worry. We're all here to learn.
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