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ATX X-Sight II HD 3-18 Review - Parts 1 - 6
« on: November 04, 2016, 07:56:59 AM »
I have recently purchased with my own money an ATN X-Sight II HD 3-18 digital scope. I have wanted one since the 1st version came out and now they are on version 2, I pulled the trigger as they say and spent my hard earned cash.
I am a computer consultant by trade and love shooting and this just tickles me that both of my pleasures have been met. This scope costs a lot of money and I did my research on all the normal Internet places and review sites and went for it.
As you may know, my YouTube channel is aimed at honest and unbiased reviews on air rifle products and I am not scared to give the dirt and the praises on equipment. So the ATN falls nicely into this remit and I hope it helps some people.

So as I produce the video series, I will update this post with the episodes so that anyone else who is thinking about mortgaging their house to buy this £750+ (yeah we get shafted in the UK) scope knows what they are getting themselves into.

I hope you enjoy my crappy video editing skills, I am no professional, but it is honest warts and all. The final video will eventually link to all the episodes and maybe give conclusions as to whether this is the scope for you or not.

Episode 1 - Unboxing and basic information on the scope and its features
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tzsMxVozV0


Episode 2 - Setup on a rifle and the operation of the scope menus - Contains brief range finding and night scope usage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kn5CgylwayQ

Episode 3 - Zeroing, Range Finding and Bullet Ballistic Correction
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJU2PkUBFTM

Episode 4 - Night scope usage and footage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AunSN1HOIDs

Episode 5 - Is it HD Quality ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4osoegWjms

Episode 5 - Should I buy the ATN X-Sight II Scope ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke27wAOF4LY

« Last Edit: November 14, 2016, 08:34:29 AM by Catanonia »


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Re: ATX X-Sight II HD 3-18 Review - Parts 1 - X
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2016, 07:57:29 AM »
Reserved for the final conclusions
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Re: ATX X-Sight II HD 3-18 Review - Parts 1 - X
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2016, 10:41:18 AM »
Excellent videos.  Being a geek myself, I've had my eye on the evolution of these digital scopes. 

About two years ago I was given an Elcan Digital Hunter but unfortunately the software is no longer available and I can't figure out the ballistic solutions with virtually no information available. All other functions of the scope are fully operable.  The Digital Hunter is just good enough to show the potential of the concept and technology but falls short as a product with technology released well before its time.

I'm interested to know how much improved these current generation digital scopes are.  The weakness of the Digital Hunter that made it pretty much useless other than a novelty are:
1) poor resolution display in the eyebell.  The camera exported decent pictures and video but what the shooter sees is awful.
2) camera contrast is way to limited with no shadow detail and blown out highlights.
3) the exposure constantly jumps around which is beyond distracting.

I'm sure you will cover this in your following videos but if you could comment on them here it would be appreciated.

Tom

I see another thread.  Will go take a look :)

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Re: ATX X-Sight II HD 3-18 Review - Parts 1 - X
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2016, 11:02:43 AM »
Technology has certainly improved a lot, but even the X-Sight is still using a old 2.1MPixel camera which shows when you start to zoom.

But, later today, when the upload is done, you will get to see part 3 which focuses on Range Finding, Zero'ing and bullet calculations. Whilst most of it is dv recording of the HDMI screen, towards the end there is some actual scope camera footage. That should answer a lot of your questions hopefully.

But to answer your question. As a geek, yes it is cool and usable and still early generation until they up the CCD and optics which I am sure they are already doing in version 3.

A bit like early adopters to VR and the DK2 and Rift.  Yes I am one of them too :)

Hope that helps.
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Re: ATX X-Sight II HD 3-18 Review - Parts 1 - X
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2016, 08:34:10 AM »
That's the series done, part 6 is now posted.
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Re: ATX X-Sight II HD 3-18 Review - Parts 1 - 6
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2016, 08:51:56 AM »
The videos are fair and honest, if not a bit long. The biggest drawback is weight, but I've tried dealing with that when using any kind of camera mount, through scope or otherwise. If we could fast forward say 10 years, I suspect the majority of scopes will have electronics added to them as an adjunct to their optics, or replace them altogether. Until then, weight is still going to be an issue.
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Re: ATX X-Sight II HD 3-18 Review - Parts 1 - 6
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2016, 05:00:46 PM »
Any idea on the pixel count in the the eyebell screen?  I looked at the ATN site and didn't see any specs. at all.  Back to the question posted above, hopefully more clearly presented.

Is the image in the eye bell equivalent in quality to the HDMI output when not zoomed? Does the eyebell image suffer at the the same zoom factors as the HDMI?  Or is it subpar at all zoom levels.

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Re: ATX X-Sight II HD 3-18 Review - Parts 1 - 6
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2016, 01:05:00 AM »
Any idea on the pixel count in the the eyebell screen?  I looked at the ATN site and didn't see any specs. at all.  Back to the question posted above, hopefully more clearly presented.

Is the image in the eye bell equivalent in quality to the HDMI output when not zoomed? Does the eyebell image suffer at the the same zoom factors as the HDMI?  Or is it subpar at all zoom levels.

Tom

Tom,

Not sure as you said details are hard to come by. But I did find out it was a 2.1 mega pixel CCD which is pretty poor and 4 year old or more mobile phone standards. So how they claim HD, well the image is 1080, so the pixels must be huge.
This is very obvious when you go past the optic zoom of 3 (or 5) and start to digitally zoom in on those pixels.

I have a feeling that this scope has been in development for many years with the technology being developed, but based off old imaging technology. Hopefully ATN will update the optical hardware and CCD to modern day standards along with the CPU inside to make this an awesome package.
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Re: ATX X-Sight II HD 3-18 Review - Parts 1 - 6
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2016, 06:05:51 AM »
Let me add a bit to the above.

The viewing screen on the X-Sight is 1280X720 pixels which is the standard for 720P displays. The older model X-Sight used a 800X600 pixel screen, but they're not made any more, hence the change between the X-Sight I and II.

The camera is 1920X1080 pixels (2.1 megapixels), which is the HDTV standard, as is the 30 FPS. If you display the videos on an HDTV, they look pretty good. However, as the incoming light level decreases, so does the frame rate. This is a result of using a CCD (charge coupled device) imager. This is offset by a huge advantage in low-light sensitivity over other types of imagers. As a result, when in night vision mode, the frame rate goes down to ≈10 FPS. Add in the video stabilization correction, and night vision video isn't nearly as good as old fashion TV sets (NTSC standards) if there is movement.

The still photos (like you see on line) really look good! Print them out on a 600X600 color laser printer, and you might be surprised just how good they really are. Just don't move the X-Sight when you take the still!
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Re: ATX X-Sight II HD 3-18 Review - Parts 1 - 6
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2016, 04:51:09 PM »
Thanks for the input.  It think the trouble with a device like this is expectations.  Some expect to get a good quality video for "show and tell", others expect the technology to make them more proficient, and others to extend their capability.

For me, the effectiveness of the night vision in primary to the Show and tell and the ballistic solution capability is pretty far down the list.  From a use point of view, my concerns are all about the how well it works in the field.  I surely don't need to handicapped by a underperforming viewfinder. (based from experience with the Elcan) Comments on how well the viewfinder works at night and daytime would be appreciated.  I doubt I'd ever hunt with a magnification past 5X.  Cat, I'm in the CA desert where the contrast is poor and most of the year everything is a shade of brown.  Alan, you may understand the desert visuals better being from NM.


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Re: ATX X-Sight II HD 3-18 Review - Parts 1 - 6
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2016, 05:09:12 PM »
You ask, and I'll tell you. However, reread my comments on the X-Sight II elsewhere on this site.

Put the sun aperture on the FRONT of the sun shade, not behind it. Doing so increases the depth of focus by about 10 times. In fact, focused at about 30 yards, and the scope is usable from about 10 to 65 yards.

Rapid movement blurs the screen for two reasons. One is the refresh rate of the viewing screen, and the video stabilization on the imager side. Once you stop moving, it gets very clear. This is very important when in night mode as the frame rate drops down to as low as 10 FPS (30 FPS nominally).

When in night mode, adjust the sensitivity to suit your local parameters. The scope comes with an IR illuminator, which is good to about 30 yards. If you use a more powerful one, remember the brightness issues will crop up, guaranteed! And remember too, nearby object which reflect IR can and do cause viewing issues.

The buttons have dual function capability, but not all of the buttons have two functions! This gets a lot of folks into problems. The only button which needs to be held is the power button either on or off. Just tap the others.

Forget about using the internal batteries! They just can't cut the current draw. Use ATN's external battery (≈$99.). Yes, you can buy a cheaper one, but you'll still have a few voltage issues crop up.

And if you want my advice, forget about using the ballistic correction feature. It works possibly for say a .223, but it nearly worthless on an airgun.

There you go!

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Re: ATX X-Sight II HD 3-18 Review - Parts 1 - 6
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2016, 05:38:18 PM »
Thanks Alan,

I've read your post a few times but sometimes it takes a bit more info to completely comprehend LOL.  While this scope is cheap comparatively speaking, it's not cheap!  I wish ATN would drop most of the features such as GPS, WiFi, etc and concentrate on the basics.  Better sensor,viewscreen and frame rate.

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« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2016, 05:21:05 AM »
I agree Tom. The one feature it needs to have implemented is the Bluetooth. Or... Someway to download the videos without having to remove the memory chip. There is a program out there, which allows a PC running Windows 10 to do so, but I've tried everything to get the data on my Mac without success.

The GPS and/or the WiFi shorten the running time to just a few minutes if one uses the internal batteries. I can't imagine what the Bluetooth would use. All said and done, I tested the external battery running both the video record, GPS, and WiFi on, and it was still running at 6 hours when I decided to go to bed! So external is a requirement, no matter what you do.

You have to remember, the scope is virtually a camcorder with a super-imposed, adjustable reticle. And, it uses a CCD as an imager. They're not power hungry, but compared to other imagers they are! My Sony Handicam's battery is miniature in size (≈2x2x1/4 inches) and it runs about 6 hours before the battery shuts the camera down. But it can't see in near total darkness like a CCD can. I'm still amazed that the X-Sight can see full color down to ≈.05 Lux!
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