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Re: Nutria in California
« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2018, 10:52:21 AM »
You are so right Steve.
His is an exception though. Pretty much a hobby vineyard. Only 5-10 acres and he makes his own organic compost, Aged chicken manure, rice hulls, sawdust and lime dust. Topdressed and worked a few inches into the soil.

That's awesome. We use our own compost for the raised beds and fruit trees. Chicken and Rabbit poop and compost from kitchen scraps is mighty fine stuff.
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Re: Nutria in California
« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2018, 11:57:08 AM »
It is interesting to note, that California is more concerned with plastic soda straws, than their debt: http://www.usdebtclock.org/state-debt-clocks/state-of-california-debt-clock.html

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Re: Nutria in California
« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2018, 01:01:51 PM »
It is interesting to note, that California is more concerned with plastic soda straws, than their debt: http://www.usdebtclock.org/state-debt-clocks/state-of-california-debt-clock.html

I can't speak for anyone except myself, but it makes me coastaphobic!

That ain't squat compared to National Debt.
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Re: Nutria in California
« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2018, 02:20:09 PM »
True enough. But Dixie Cup still makes straws!

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Re: Nutria in California
« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2018, 07:26:13 PM »
There's a difference between being environmentally conscious and not abiding/enforcing game laws. Being on the Left Coast progressive recycling is a hot topic and I've made an effort to stop being so careless about my refuse. When I was a kid and fishing with my grandfather he would flip his sandwich wrapper into the water to gauge how fast the tide was running. 'It's a big ocean' was always the phrase used to excuse it. Different generation and men his age really didn't know any better. Now we do.

We all use plastics and other recyclable materials in our day to day lives. I've been trying to use less water bottles, make sure that recycling goes into 'recycling', and being aware of the small things that I can control. To do otherwise is just lazy and short sighted. I've come full circle on a lot of things environmental-wise and recycling. I absolutely hated it when the stores started charging for grocery bags. The reality is that it's just as easy to use my reusable bags and incorporate that into my lifestyle. Now I wouldn't have it any other way. I have noticed a reduction in litter by the absence of plastic bags. The real issue is that nobody likes being told what to do. But littering and not recycling out of spite or stubbornness is just lame.

The Petaluma River striper fishing is as good as it's ever been in my lifetime. Decades of controlling industrial dumping into storm drains and other atrocities have brought back a tidal slough that was on the verge on being a dead zone 25 to 30 years ago.

Unfortunately the wine industry owns the politicians (Rep. and Dem., they're all crooked/bought/influenced. Nobody gets a pass) so vineyards will be able to continue to suck the rivers dry, create more runoff and sediment, all the while dairies and other traditional agriculture are being forced out by bullshit (pun intended) laws aimed at driving ranchers out and building vineyards, hobby farms, and 10,000 sq. ft. mansions.

I don't know where I'm going with this. We can all do better as individuals to make our world a better place for us and our grandkids, politicians are by nature just weasels, and California DF&G is a joke. Lazy and doing the minimum required, exactly what I expect from a government agency. 

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Re: Nutria in California
« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2018, 05:04:54 AM »
With apologies for stealing a thread...

But wouldn't it be nice if everyone recycled? I know most of the families on my block. Out of twelve households, my wife and I are the only ones fully recycling. We've apparently embarrassed our next door neighbor recently, because she too has begun to do her part. Unfortunately, the city (Roswell, NM) no longer recycles glass—no doubt the one item which stays intact, even after several millennia. Shame on them!
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Re: Nutria in California
« Reply #21 on: August 23, 2018, 04:02:56 PM »
There's a difference between being environmentally conscious and not abiding/enforcing game laws. Being on the Left Coast progressive recycling is a hot topic and I've made an effort to stop being so careless about my refuse. When I was a kid and fishing with my grandfather he would flip his sandwich wrapper into the water to gauge how fast the tide was running. 'It's a big ocean' was always the phrase used to excuse it. Different generation and men his age really didn't know any better. Now we do.

We all use plastics and other recyclable materials in our day to day lives. I've been trying to use less water bottles, make sure that recycling goes into 'recycling', and being aware of the small things that I can control. To do otherwise is just lazy and short sighted. I've come full circle on a lot of things environmental-wise and recycling. I absolutely hated it when the stores started charging for grocery bags. The reality is that it's just as easy to use my reusable bags and incorporate that into my lifestyle. Now I wouldn't have it any other way. I have noticed a reduction in litter by the absence of plastic bags. The real issue is that nobody likes being told what to do. But littering and not recycling out of spite or stubbornness is just lame.

The Petaluma River striper fishing is as good as it's ever been in my lifetime. Decades of controlling industrial dumping into storm drains and other atrocities have brought back a tidal slough that was on the verge on being a dead zone 25 to 30 years ago.

Unfortunately the wine industry owns the politicians (Rep. and Dem., they're all crooked/bought/influenced. Nobody gets a pass) so vineyards will be able to continue to suck the rivers dry, create more runoff and sediment, all the while dairies and other traditional agriculture are being forced out by bullshit (pun intended) laws aimed at driving ranchers out and building vineyards, hobby farms, and 10,000 sq. ft. mansions.

I don't know where I'm going with this. We can all do better as individuals to make our world a better place for us and our grandkids, politicians are by nature just weasels, and California DF&G is a joke. Lazy and doing the minimum required, exactly what I expect from a government agency.

Well said Kevin!

I too recall going fishing with my Grandmother and her husband and them sinking their Schlitz and Black Label beer cans in the middle of a lake in Florida. Strange practice. 

I also recall living in Belgium in the 60's and how recycling was in full swing there way back then. We had to separate garbage into metal, glass, paper, and refuse. Saw the same in the 70's in Japan. But here that are many communities, mostly in the rural areas,  that have zero recycling.

For over five years I made my own biodiesel and ran that in my Cummins powered truck. The exhaust smelled better, and put out a lot less toxic soot and chemicals, and I felt pretty good about it. But I'm a busy man, and don't have time to make my own anymore. But when I am around Berkeley I'll fill up with the stuff, or the new "renewable diesel" from Propel. It smells like the old biodiesel but is processed cooking oils done more like they process fossil fuels. It's even cleaner than Biodiesel.

I agree we all have to do our part. I try, and the rest of my family tries hard to recycle and use less.
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Re: Nutria in California
« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2018, 05:44:47 PM »
What about the nutria?
Saw four today in Fairfield..
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Re: Nutria in California
« Reply #23 on: August 28, 2018, 05:58:59 PM »
If they're here (and it sounds like they are) they aren't going anywhere. Very seldom is it possible to eradicate an invasive species once they've gained a foothold. How many times have they tried to get rid of pike in Lake Davis? They poisoned and even drained the %^&*ing lake and they're still there.
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Re: Nutria in California
« Reply #24 on: August 28, 2018, 06:13:46 PM »
What about the nutria?
Saw four today in Fairfield..

Frank, I imagine Fish and Foul doesn't care.
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Re: Nutria in California
« Reply #25 on: August 28, 2018, 09:16:04 PM »
What about the nutria?
Saw four today in Fairfield..

How about I come armed with a camera and a long telephoto lens and you point me in the right direction? Perhaps we can team up and make a change or at least get someone’s attention. I’ve seen first hand what exotic species have done in Florida. Hate to see Nutria destroy the delta and beyond.
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Re: Nutria in California
« Reply #26 on: August 29, 2018, 04:44:40 AM »
Visiting the nutria issue one more time.... As I stated above, nutria in New Mexico are listed as a protected furbearer, and there is a season for them. And it appears that you have to have a Trappers License to boot.

South of Brantley Lake, along the Pecos River, in southeast New Mexico, it is not uncommon to see nutria on farm acreage well away from the nearest water. I do not know how much damage they do, because even the New Mexico G&F department has never studied them. At least if they have, they never published the data.

The whole country, it seems, has a different view of what is, or what isn't, an evasive specie. The G&F in Louisiana sure knows!
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Re: Nutria in California
« Reply #27 on: August 31, 2018, 06:57:36 AM »
What about the nutria?
Saw four today in Fairfield..

Frank, I imagine Fish and Foul doesn't care.

John, the fact that nutria are in the soccer complex (Chadbourne Creek runs through it) doesn’t bother me. They join the turkeys and coyotes, squirrels,  cranes, etc.
What bothers me is the idiots who run the soccer club think they own that city park and are trying to keep domestic animals out.
(BTW I do not mind that restriction during game days.)

I guess they are afraid the dogs/cats/monkeys, etc., will poo poo and the little darling soccer players may get some on their shoes.
Oh no. Whoa is me!
Little do they know that the Chadbourne Creek is a California Water Way and they cannot restrict someone from using that waterway for any legal purpose.

As for Fish & Wildlife, well, you know how I feel about them.

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