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Nutria in California
« on: August 17, 2018, 04:04:21 PM »

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/nutria-California-invasive-rodent-Delta-river-rat-13155943.php#item-85307-tbla-5

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California's 20-pound invasive nutria problem could be worse than previously imagined

For the small six-person team tasked with combating California's nutria infestation, a typical day consists of working in 100-degree weather, wading through marshes and avoiding traps built to catch 20-pound rodents, targeting about 2 million acres.

Nutria, a destructive rat-like mammal, is currently burrowing into central California's wetlands. In the spring, the Department of Fish and Wildlife began to warn the public about the dangers of the animal, which devastate agricultural infrastructure by burrowing into levees, roadbeds and canal beds.

But in the past few months, only 200 nutria have been exterminated, 100 of which were found in a pond on a single private farm in central California.
As the agency prepares for an intensive survey of the Sacramento-San Joaquin River Delta, officials say they have no idea what the actual numbers of nutria will look like. In April, there were two confirmed sightings of nutria just outside the delta, a region critical to California's waterways.

"We can't guess, we have no idea what we're going to find in there," California Department of Fish and Wildlife spokesman Peter Tira told SFGATE. "We need to survey and see to what extent they're in there, we haven't determined a complete range of nutria in the region."

"Our goal is to keep the nutria out of the delta as much as possible," Tira said. "That's the epicenter of our water control and flood control in California."

Hmmmmm, sounds like I might have a new target coming up in the near future.
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Re: Nutria in California
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2018, 04:13:17 PM »
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Re: Nutria in California
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2018, 04:14:44 PM »
Frank sent me a pic of one a while back, it was in Fairfield. He reported it, I believe, to fish and foul.
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Re: Nutria in California
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2018, 04:17:56 PM »
Frank sent me a pic of one a while back, it was in Fairfield. He reported it, I believe, to fish and foul.

In Fairfield? Oh crap.  Funny F&G says the Nutria have not made it  (yet) to the Sacramento and Delta.

https://www.wildlife.ca.gov/Conservation/Invasives/Species/Nutria/Infestation
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Re: Nutria in California
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2018, 04:37:11 PM »
We have them here, ALL OVER! As Steve pointed out in his second post, telling them apart from a muskrat is difficult at a distance. The nutria are much larger (≈10 pounds), and their tail is more rat-like. The muskrat's tail is sort of flat on the sides, and an adult weights more like 5 pounds. But in the water, they look very similar!

There is a problem in New Mexico, however, because both species are considered fur-bearers! That means there is a season set aside for them. Quite obviously, nutria are an evasive species, and down-right vermin in my book. Yet, muskrats are almost endangered, at least here in New Mexico. Go figure!

And there is another issue to consider. Muskrats are like carp and catfish, in that they taste like their environment, which is often rather mossy. Nutria do feast on aquatic vegetation, but they also eat a lot of near-by crops, and seem to really like alfalfa sprouts. So they aren't so wild-tasting, and their back-strap is the best part especially when grilled on the barbie.

The question remains... Do I shoot them? Yes I do, but I have to catch them actually roaming the alfalfa patch. That's difficult, because you can't see the little buggers most of the time.


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Re: Nutria in California
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2018, 04:40:23 PM »
If you can see their teeth, a Nutria will have orange ones... Not so for Muskrat or Beaver.

Just aim for the teeth.  :o


We have them here, ALL OVER! As Steve pointed out in his second post, telling them apart from a muskrat is difficult at a distance. The nutria are much larger (≈10 pounds), and their tail is more rat-like. The muskrat's tail is sort of flat on the sides, and an adult weights more like 5 pounds. But in the water, they look very similar!

There is a problem in New Mexico, however, because both species are considered fur-bearers! That means there is a season set aside for them. Quite obviously, nutria are an evasive species, and down-right vermin in my book. Yet, muskrats are almost endangered, at least here in New Mexico. Go figure!

And there is another issue to consider. Muskrats are like carp and catfish, in that they taste like their environment, which is often rather mossy. Nutria do feast on aquatic vegetation, but they also eat a lot of near-by crops, and seem to really like alfalfa sprouts. So they aren't so wild-tasting, and their back-strap is the best part especially when grilled on the barbie.

The question remains... Do I shoot them? Yes I do, but I have to catch them actually roaming the alfalfa patch. That's difficult, because you can't see the little buggers most of the time.
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Re: Nutria in California
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2018, 06:29:13 AM »
Not so “FUNNY”!

The Chadborne creek is full of trout and crawfish.
The Nutria swam up through the SuiSun Bay into the creek.
The creek in Fairfield is inside our soccer field.
The Nutria, along with the turkeys are making a mess of everything.
Fish & Wildlife are now located in Fairfield where they and I can keep an eye on them.
F&W are “FUNNY” that way.
When I spotted them I called F&W in Yountville and they told me call F&W in Stockton.
They didn’t think it was too “FUNNY...
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Re: Nutria in California
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2018, 07:30:42 AM »
There is more than one definition for funny. Perhaps you got my usage confused with another usage of the same word. ;D

I find it funny (stange and unusual) that F&G didn’t send out the cavalry to search and destroy nutria.

Turkey season is soon. Have hunting license and airgun, will travel.



Not so “FUNNY”!

The Chadborne creek is full of trout and crawfish.
The Nutria swam up through the SuiSun Bay into the creek.
The creek in Fairfield is inside our soccer field.
The Nutria, along with the turkeys are making a mess of everything.
Fish & Wildlife are now located in Fairfield where they and I can keep an eye on them.
F&W are “FUNNY” that way.
When I spotted them I called F&W in Yountville and they told me call F&W in Stockton.
They didn’t think it was too “FUNNY...
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Re: Nutria in California
« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2018, 07:54:26 PM »
 ;D ;D ;D

It's the weather, hunting season, back to school, too much work...whatever. I'm feeling it too. Me thinks everyone has a little bit of sand in their nether regions. Need to shoot more. :D
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Re: Nutria in California
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2018, 05:16:20 PM »
Methinks Fish and Foul are "funny" like that when there isn't any revenue to be made until something becomes a Huge problem. Bunch of little Plutocrats IMO. Corruption has infiltrated them if you ask me.
So Nutria get a stronghold here, then they can get a reason to make sure you have a hunting license to "hunt" them. Like as the Chinese Proverb says "Follow the Money".
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Re: Nutria in California
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2018, 06:19:59 PM »
Case in point...whenever I've called Caltip (anti-poaching hotline) Nobody ever shows up. I've called on deer (trespassing and out of season), steelhead (snagging in closed waters) and stripers (buckets full of short fish) and all to no avail.
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Re: Nutria in California
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2018, 04:40:43 AM »
Here in New Mexico, if you call the poaching hot line, you get ACTION! And if they catch a poacher, they prosecute!
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Re: Nutria in California
« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2018, 09:47:44 AM »
Here in Kalifornia they are more interested in EPA laws.
My friend, who owns a vineyard, went into HIS creek and cleaned up the brush and downed trees to clear it to flow and look nice, it was really overgrown. Mind you it only flows during heavy or steady days long rain, and no fish are ever in it. He was fined $25,000 by YE OLDE Fish and Foul.
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Put a bridge over your creek, that permit will cost you big money in permits because the biologist has to oversee it.
Game and Fish law? Well, you have to be in a convenient place for them to check you. They certainly won't walk a hundred yards to get to you, it's a new breed of Plutocrats we have now.
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Re: Nutria in California
« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2018, 09:53:07 AM »
And yet, if you venture into vineyard land to get some fresh air, the air is thick with the stench of petro chemical based fertilizers and pesticides. So much for EPA laws and common sense.


Here in Kalifornia they are more interested in EPA laws.
My friend, who owns a vineyard, went into HIS creek and cleaned up the brush and downed trees to clear it to flow and look nice, it was really overgrown. Mind you it only flows during heavy or steady days long rain, and no fish are ever in it. He was fined $25,000 by YE OLDE Fish and Foul.
Spill diesel from your tank on your land and if they find out- watch out $$$$
Put a bridge over your creek, that permit will cost you big money in permits because the biologist has to oversee it.
Game and Fish law? Well, you have to be in a convenient place for them to check you. They certainly won't walk a hundred yards to get to you, it's a new breed of Plutocrats we have now.
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Re: Nutria in California
« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2018, 10:35:22 AM »
You are so right Steve.
His is an exception though. Pretty much a hobby vineyard. Only 5-10 acres and he makes his own organic compost, Aged chicken manure, rice hulls, sawdust and lime dust. Topdressed and worked a few inches into the soil.
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