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Camo jobs on my hunters
« on: December 28, 2018, 06:39:30 PM »
A few years ago I did a hack spray paint job on my .25 Mrod. In terms of actually camouflaging my gun, it was amazingly effective. But it was ugly as sin. It looked like I gave a few cans of cams spray paint to a child and told them to have at it. So I named the gun "Uglrod" after that.

I decided to try again after watching an Eric Henderson video that showed how he spray paints his Texans. So I tried it with my Texan .308 SS and my short Flex. I made some mistakes on the Texan, but it still came out passible. My Flex came out much more neat looking. The main difference was that I had an issue with my primer out of the can on the Texan. I was more careful with the Flex to make sure the primer went on smooth. But I'm still happy with both guns:





I have yet to find a flat paint that accurately mimics the vibrant year-round green of palmettos, which are a dominant plant in our landscape. Closest thing I have is a tent that is "taupe" green that blends in with them well.



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Re: Camo jobs on my hunters
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2018, 09:44:38 AM »
Great work! Very sharp.
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Re: Camo jobs on my hunters
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2018, 11:05:11 AM »
That looks really good. I recently tried Hydrodipping. I found that it is just a high dollar paint job that you can get premade patterns for.
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Re: Camo jobs on my hunters
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2018, 11:45:53 AM »
Good job, but it makes me wonder a bit.

Lots of videos and write-ups describing how to paint, dip, wrap, etc. camo on an airgun. What I don't see on airgun videos, is the use of scent blockers, all so common on firearm videos. So what do you do about that issue?
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Re: Camo jobs on my hunters
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2018, 07:31:27 PM »
Good job, but it makes me wonder a bit.

Lots of videos and write-ups describing how to paint, dip, wrap, etc. camo on an airgun. What I don't see on airgun videos, is the use of scent blockers, all so common on firearm videos. So what do you do about that issue?

I don't talk about that.  ;)

Seriously, my scent control secrets are the only aspect of hunting I do not openly and freely share with people, although I usually will tell people who I meet in person. I am convinced I can beat a whitetail's nose most of the time. Its not a product or a gadget. It's knowledge. Knowledge most people aren't willing to employ once they learn it. Too extreme. I rarely even employ it here at home when I'm casually hunting on the back of the 40. I usually only use the knowledge when I'm serious about hunting a mature buck that's actively using a particular area.

I am playing with a gadget right now unrelated to what I known about scent control. Its a ozone generator. It may be a crock. The theory is that the ozone it makes will kill my human scent in the breeze. I'm very skeptical of it. I don't think ozone really works that way. But it was a Christmas gift so I'm experimenting with it to see what it can do. I can confirm its good for giving hunting clothes a dry cleaning. Makes them smell clean and takes the mustiness out of something that's been made wet with woods water. But it doesn't do anything for inorganic odors, like paint or rubber.

As for the guns themselves, I just let them air out. Eventually the smell of the paint will go away to the human nose.

I redid the paint job on the .308 today after finding a color that's close to matching palmettos:



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Re: Camo jobs on my hunters
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2018, 08:27:49 PM »
That’s a pretty good camouflage there. I might have to camo something. Let me see. Oh the paint is peeling on my truck... hmmm maybe.
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Re: Camo jobs on my hunters
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2018, 03:51:28 AM »
Don't be skeptical! The idea behind deodorizers is to oxidize the esters causing the odor to start with. Ozone, aka nascent oxygen, is actually O3. That extra O is easily dislodged, and highly reactive. When it recombines, the process is indeed oxidation, of the esters floating in the air. The problem is, it takes a LOT of ozone! Generating that isn't easy.

As alluded too, spray deodorizers are oxidizers too, but work as hard covering up (masking), as they do oxidizing.

The real trick is to smell like a female deer or elk (doe or cow). I can't speak for you, but spraying animal excretions on my body isn't going to happen!
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Re: Camo jobs on my hunters
« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2018, 12:24:08 PM »
Don't be skeptical! The idea behind deodorizers is to oxidize the esters causing the odor to start with. Ozone, aka nascent oxygen, is actually O3. That extra O is easily dislodged, and highly reactive. When it recombines, the process is indeed oxidation, of the esters floating in the air. The problem is, it takes a LOT of ozone! Generating that isn't easy.

As alluded too, spray deodorizers are oxidizers too, but work as hard covering up (masking), as they do oxidizing.

The real trick is to smell like a female deer or elk (doe or cow). I can't speak for you, but spraying animal excretions on my body isn't going to happen!

My wife sometimes says I smell like an old goat. Does that work? :o
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Re: Camo jobs on my hunters
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2018, 03:15:16 PM »
Since we have all stolen this thread, perhaps we can at least learn something from it.

Actually, the Bullfrog and I were having a conversation about just that kind of odor cancellation. To be more specific, you have a few things you can do (to become invisible) stink-wise!

Masking: Most products you see marketed to hunters, aren't what they're cracked up to be. Or should I say, stunk up to be! As Bullfrog pointed out, they're usually plant-based products, which only approximate the real odor of some specific game animal. Perhaps a better explanation, is an odor which overwhelms the hunted animal's olfactory senses. They are limited in effectiveness.

Eliminating: As mentioned, ozone is a powerful odor removing oxidizer. The largest producer is lightning, and we all know how clean the air smells after a lightning storm. However producing copious amounts of ozone isn't all that easy to do. Those on-body, battery-powered devices are all but worthless. They clear the air around them, but down wind? Well, worthless is a good adjective. And for the most part, so are soaps and body deodorants sold to hunters, no matter the hype!

Smelling like game: I used to hunt deer occasionally with my mother's uncle. Somehow, he managed to collect deer urine during estrous (correctly spelled oestrus when using the King's English!). This made him smell like a doe in heat. How he collected the urine remains a mystery. As I said before, smearing animal excretions on my body, just isn't my thing!

And lastly, down range: The fact remains; few hunters really know how to dope wind. You hear a lot about doping on the hunting channels, but that's mostly hype. The reason is simply the fact, that wind isn't stationary in speed or direction. Knowing how the wind curls around in your area is vital, if you're like Bullfrog, and wish to keep your freezer full of meat.

If your game is mostly bird related, perhaps we can talk about that too. Perhaps as well, we can cover camo after that?
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Re: Camo jobs on my hunters
« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2018, 08:12:29 PM »
So if I already smell like an old goat, then I can fast forward to camo. Yah?

I like both what Eric Henderson and Bullfrog has done with their camo. I think Eric’s camo is more earth tones and the examples I’ve seen from him not as green as Bullfrog’s m. Then again Eric is in Texas and Bullfrog is in Florida. Yuge difference.

There’s a fellow over at the GTA, Ed, aka Shadow who camo’s his rifles and takes a different approach. He shoots in green areas and in snow and so he has rather interesting patterns and decidedly brighter motifs. Let find some and I’ll post.

 
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Re: Camo jobs on my hunters
« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2019, 06:11:25 AM »
Out in the open vs. blind use hunting, do not use the same patterns—obviously! So, the question is, what happens when you're dressed in shades of fall, and the snow starts falling?

As you allude to Steve, this is an interesting topic, and one which should garner a lot of comments.
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Re: Camo jobs on my hunters
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2019, 08:06:35 PM »
In Florida, there's enough green year round that green camo never looks too out of place even in the dead of winter.

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Re: Camo jobs on my hunters
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2019, 09:12:36 AM »
This stuff about covering oneself in doe urine (ew!) reminded me of a video clip most of you probably saw on 'America's Funniest Home Videos' maybe 25 or 30 years ago, like I did. But in case you missed that, here's a couple of reports on a little stunt set up by a hunter, the first one serious but not quite complete. The second report is decidedly silly in tone but goes on to show how the situation resolved (something AFHV failed to show if memory serves) with him running to and climbing up a tree, after getting control of the deer's antlers. A very lucky man who went on to express regret for his not-so-smart efforts at giving his hunting buddies something funny to watch.

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